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61. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

lagered, I am reading into the origional post, exactly what is there.

62. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

No less than 3 posts reminding you to keep at the subject at hand would suggest otherwise.

How does your statement regarding your desire to wear a bikini in Malaysia apply to women’s rights in Turkey? What does a bisexual have to do with anyone not covering their head? Where are there restaurants that require women to wear dresses and men can wear whatever they please?

The point of the original post was that there are rules we need to be aware of when we travel. While it does indicate that women are to blame in this case, it did NOT need to be blown into a full women's right issue. I believe that women are equal and should have the same rights but I also believe that we need to be respectful of other's culture no matter how absurd we think it is. Yes, it is a free world and other cultures are free to regulate as they please.

The original post aimed to address this fact, not to suggest that women should be treated poorly. Keep in mind this is the opinion of one not all of the people who witnessed the slight slip up. If the tourists would have had the correct information they would have been much more likely to abide by the local customs and traditions.

63. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Lagered
It is not the rules of the temple, in question, that women must wear headscarfs. What makes u think, that they did not have the correct information? I think the temple purposely did not make it a rule. The climate in Turkey has been for quite a while, to reduce the effects of heavy Islamic beliefs on society. I think, the fact that the temple did not impose the headscarf wearing, or any other illogical islamic rule reflects this.

Mel

PS
Judging from the tone of your posts, I dont think u would be able to define the word respect anyway.

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 3, 2007, at 7:14 AM by Mel. ]

64. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Lagered
It is not the rules of the temple, in question, that women must wear headscarfs. What makes u think, that they did not have the correct information? I think the temple purposely did not make it a rule. The climate in Turkey has been for quite a while, to reduce the effects of heavy Islamic beliefs on society. I think, the fact that the temple did not impose the headscarf wearing, or any other illogical islamic rule reflects this.

Mel

PS
Judging from the tone of your posts, I dont think u would be able to define the word respect anyway.

Mel

I'm simply pointing out that you're making a huge deal about this when women's rights weren’t put on trial. It was simply due to a post that suggested travelers should respect the rules of the places they go. Why this is threatening to you I have no idea. Why do you assume Islamic rules are illogical? Does it bother you that others have beliefs different from yours? Should I call for the deletion of your content because I don’t beleive your views?

Maybe they were informed but don’t you think the original post would have mentioned that these people had a blatant disregard for the posted information if that was the case?

How about that Kombizz - was there information at the mosque?

In regards to respect, do you feel as though your enlightened comments condemning Islam and those who feel venues of a religious nature should have abiding visitors qualify you to define respect any better than I? Perhaps liking tolerance for religions I may or may not believe in to bisexuals would aid in my ability to define it.

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 3, 2007, at 8:50 AM by lagered ]

65. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting lagered

it did NOT need to be blown into a full women's right issue.

Well, I didnt start it.
Religion did.

66. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

Really?

The basis of every religion begins with woman directly involved. If you are going to say that religion started discrimination, then you must have an interesting view of history.

Perhaps you fail to remember that every early religion had both Male and Female gods and goddesses. Past races of humans did not distinguish between the two and saw them as equals. While some gods had more power than the others, female goddesses influenced them all. This was evident from Paganism, to the Greeks and Romans and beyond. If religion was borne with a sense of discrimination wouldn’t they have had only Male gods and or allocated the female gods to trivial tasks? If you want to make a case for Aphrodite the goddess love... what could be more powerful than that? Religion spawned from both Men and Women's observation of nature much the same as science. The human race and religion have changed over time but keep in mind, religion didn’t start discrimination. What religion did teach however was a sense of self and respect. Which is what the original post was asking for, respect.

67. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting kombizz

I noticed that ONLY few lady tourists follow the Islamic Sharia and cover their heads, and majority DO NOT RESPECT the Islamic Law entering the holly places like mosques.

RESPECT

Hells Bells Kombizz, respect should be earned, not coerced.

68. Posted by RFritz (Inactive 38 posts) 9y

This forum caught my attention. I completely agree with kombizz. I even get frustrated when women travel to Asian countries wearing short skirts and low cut tops when Asian women wear clothing that usually covers their shoulders and knees. And then Western women wonder why they get hassled. By dressing the way we do in the Western world you are often offending the locals - I don't think its about racism or sexism or what not it is just about respecting someone elses culture when you are in their home country. Mel I think you have taken kombizz's post the wrong way. I understand what you are saying but it is not us to judge Islam as this culure is ingrained in all those born into the religion as we have our own culture which is also ingrained. Not all women are treated unequally. I think it is just an issue of respecting what a particular culture entails and if you want to visit a place with a different culture to yours you have to respect the rules otherwise I would say don't bother going.

69. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

RFritz

The qu'ran(not sure how to spell this) does say, that women are not equal to men. Not in those words exactly, but in every rule it states for women and men, women come out with the worst deal.
The headscarf wearing may not seem a big deal to u, but it is a symbol of oppression.
Also, I dont think it is reasonable to say, that people should not go to countries, if they do not respect what happens in the various countries. There is something that just about everybody will find disrespectable, in just about every country.

Anyway, as I said to Lagered Turkey has been making quite an effort for several decades now, to move away from the heavy islamic stuff. It could be said, that Kombizz is being disrespectful to the efforts the Turkish government is making, by insisting that the headscarf wearing is the rule, in the temple by default, even though the Turkish authorities did not make it the rule.

Mel

70. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

And I have been meaning to say, for a while, Beerman, that asterisk is fooling nobody.
May I suggest, that u say fiddling stick, instead of f*ck, in future.;)

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 11, 2007, at 1:37 PM by Mel. ]

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