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31. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I have to agree with the others. I don't see the chance as an improvement.

Especially when reading text in this way, gives me an instant headache.

32. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Ok ok ok.. to save my own skin, I've put up a change . Entirely untested on PCs, but I'll have a look in a couple of hours at my parents place to see what it came up as and considering it is Verdana, it should be rather safe. Essentially, Lucida Grande will only be used for Mac users (where imo it is the nicest option) and good 'ol Verdana will have to do for PC'ers. I guess they could install Lucida Grande from somewhere maybe. I've also upped the font size to 12px as a default (using 11px occassionaly in areas where the information is less important) and added some extra margins to the paragraphs which were looking a little tight.

Refresh your browser to ensure you see the different styles.

33. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Incidentally, it is quite interesting to note that Lucida Grande doesn't have real italics . They just slant the text - which is why it was less legible (particularly on PCs where the text is not necessarily anti-aliased)

In Safari though, instead of using the slanted Lucida, they revert to the italic version of the next font in line, which is now Verdana. So basically, Safari ends up doing a nicer job of font rendering.

34. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Incidentally, it is quite interesting to note that Lucida Grande doesn't have real italics . They just slant the text - which is why it was less legible (particularly on PCs where the text is not necessarily anti-aliased)

In Safari though, instead of using the slanted Lucida, they revert to the italic version of the next font in line, which is now Verdana. So basically, Safari ends up doing a nicer job of font rendering.

translation: we tested something but it didn't work, but now it's better.

(Verdana beats Lucida)

35. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Ok ok ok.. to save my own skin, I've put up a change . Entirely untested on PCs, but I'll have a look in a couple of hours at my parents place to see what it came up as and considering it is Verdana, it should be rather safe. Essentially, Lucida Grande will only be used for Mac users (where imo it is the nicest option) and good 'ol Verdana will have to do for PC'ers. I guess they could install Lucida Grande from somewhere maybe. I've also upped the font size to 12px as a default (using 11px occassionaly in areas where the information is less important) and added some extra margins to the paragraphs which were looking a little tight.

Actually, I prefer the way TP looks on Lucida. Lucida is narrower (which makes it look more roundish) compared to the wider and squarish Verdana. Anyway, Verdana is a safe bet. But this new size looks a little too big. I prefer the old 11px.

Incidentally, it is quite interesting to note that Lucida Grande doesn't have real italics . They just slant the text - which is why it was less legible (particularly on PCs where the text is not necessarily anti-aliased)

The same goes for Lucida Sans Unicode. It also doesn't have true-type italics. Lucida Sans has true-type italics though.

In Safari though, instead of using the slanted Lucida, they revert to the italic version of the next font in line, which is now Verdana. So basically, Safari ends up doing a nicer job of font rendering.

Wouldn't that look a little weird to have two different types of font in a block of paragraph?

36. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

Ok, it looks fine now and different again from yesterday, but perfect.

I am always told that some changes need to be made when a problem occurs or is starting to occur. Noticed that this question has not been asked before and probably there will be a (simple) answer for this but why were these changes necessary, it looked ok last week, last month, last year.

37. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member 1342 posts) 9y

I'm seeing bigger fonts... an improvement over the previously "I need to squint my eyes to read" font!

Thanks, Peter!

38. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

I can see that it looks better in IE on a PC with the new font but it's absolutely unreadable imo on a mac in firefox. Only when I hit ctrl - does it look decent but then it gets really (!) small :( Will I have to create a custom stylesheet?

Utrecht, it actually started out as part of a needed update to the signup page (much shorter now to accommodate a rather big development which should be going live very soon), which became a site wide form update.

39. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

I can see that it looks better in IE on a PC with the new font but it's absolutely unreadable imo on a mac in firefox. Only when I hit ctrl - does it look decent but then it gets really (!) small :( Will I have to create a custom stylesheet? .

Unreadable how? I'm on a mac using FF and I can read everything. If anything, it should be more readable? Or do you mean it's too big for your liking. That I can agree with, but clearly not many people seem to like the 11px size.

40. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 9y

I've created a sample html with the fonts and screencaptured (is this a valid verb?) it for all to see. I think the first one, 11px Verdana, is the safest choice. Not too big, not too small, easy on the eyes (fonts are not squeezed like Tahoma).

See the screencapture here