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1. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

What are your thoughts on the recent Live Earth concerts?

Do you think the concerts were helpful or not?

Personally I'm not entirely sure they accomplished much but that's just my $0.02.

2. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 9y

I enjoyed many of the performers, but I seriously doubt it is going to make much of a difference when talking about global warming. When you realize China is going to build a new coal fired power plant every 10 days for the next 10 years, changing a standard lightbulb to a CFB is not going to 'save the planet'. I am all for changing individual behavior to be more responsible, but you have to get China & India to change as well or it is not going to make a significant impact globally. My 2 cents.

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

I know it costed a lot of energy and air quality was very low in the surroundings of the concerts as well

4. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

I only caught the tail end of it but I was embarrassed for Madonna.

I'm so gutted that I missed Metallica!!!

5. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

The hype said it was to raise awareness - but what did Madonna singing Ray of Light or La Isla Bonita with the Go Go Bordellos do for raising awareness? Did they raise money - if so how much and where is it going - probably need to use it all to offset all the carbon they sent off into the atmosphere around the world whilst doing the concerts on Saturday. I think it was just good PR for all the performers to have thier name attached to the big current issue of the day. In MY opinion!

6. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

I understand your point about wanting to get China and India on board but don’t you think that is a bit hypocritical?

We can say all we want about the emissions put out by China and India but how did European Union and the United States become developed? I know the answer isn’t by limiting emissions and I’m not sure it is fair to assume that these countries should deny prosperity in the eye of environmental awareness. While they should consider their environment and do everything they can to preserve it, can you really blame them for not wanting to live a primitive life style? I'm certainly not advocating the purposeful destruction of the environment but I think we cannot hold these countries to standards that our countries never held. Show them how to efficiently build green buildings and power plants and you'll do much more.

These concerts may have raised awareness but as others here have indicated, changing a few light bulbs isn’t going to make a huge difference. It may save some energy, but then again it is simply throwing out the old light bulbs which will fill up the landfills. Consider the net cost of the population driving to the store, buying new light bulbs, throwing old ones out and having the dump trucks bring them to the landfill.

In this model we just paid for 1) gas to get to the store 2) the light bulb(s) 3) disposing of the old bulbs 4) the gas for the dump truck (taxes) 5) storage of more waste in the landfill. This doesn’t sound like saving the planet to me.

7. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 9y

Quoting lagered

I understand your point about wanting to get China and India on board but don’t you think that is a bit hypocritical?

Tyler,
The US and Europe certainly did pollute their own countires while becoming industrialized. You are too young to remember, but many of the rivers in the Northeast were unfit to drink, swim or able to support fish. The Cayuga River even caught fire, sending a wakeup call to most Americans. This incident and others lead to the 'clean air & clean water acts' that did cut the amount of pollution discharged into our envirnoment. Are we there yet? No, but at least the US is on the path to cutting the amount of pollution pumped into the environment while maintaining the present standard of living.

The major challenge in the next decade is going to be steering China, India and other developing countries to grow their economies responsibly. The leaders in China know they have to address the pollution problem as several of their major rivers are already lifeless. Hopefully they will realize that destroying their water supplies and creating toxic levels of air pollution is not in their best long term interests. The West can help with showing them a better way to industrialize. That is a realistic goal that all should be able to support.

8. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

I think the awareness certainly isn't a bad thing, even if they did have to buy carbon credits (note, that's not the same as 'offsets').

Regarding the China / India issue; while it is indeed true that the US has done much to remove pollution from its own air, it is still the largest emitter of CO2, so it has a long way to go before it can start telling everyone else how to behave. The excuse that "China is growing so fast, so whatever we do is pointless" baffles me. We need to do something and like lagered said, we can't begrudge a country from growing. The US wants the Kyoto protocol to be fairer. Well, the 'fairest' thing of all would be to set a worldwide per capita target for emissions. China is a very, very, very long way behind countries like the US and Australia when it comes to per capita emissions.

And finally, it bears considering that the clean air many western countries are lucky to have is largely because they have outsourced all their pollution to China and developing countries where there are little or no pollution controls. Ah, the joys of globalization.

9. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Almost every industry that has polluted the world has been funded by a bank.

I'm not sayig that to start "bank bashing", but maybe a bit of responsible or innovative lending might not go astray.

10. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting james

Almost every industry that has polluted the world has been funded by a bank.

I'm not sayig that to start "bank bashing", but maybe a bit of responsible or innovative lending might not go astray.

Yeah I think that's slowly becoming the case . . .