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21. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

The problem that I see is that there's no diplomatic/political plan in place to improve matters, it looks like a kill 'em all strategy to me. King George will stay put until he leaves office so that somebody else can clean up the mess.

22. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Ok, in seriousness.. this would be what my fridge magnet would say:

"When there is no good exit strategy, the only strategy left is to simply exit"

Sounds like something from Mystery Men ;)

23. Posted by Wonkerer (Respected Member 592 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Ok, in seriousness.. this would be what my fridge magnet would say:

"When there is no good exit strategy, the only strategy left is to simply exit"

Sounds like something from Mystery Men ;)

I don't completely disagree, yet I think if that if those in charge really took the time and wanted to they could come up with at least a semi-decent exit strategy.

24. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 9y

Considering Iraq had no trouble squarely beating us in the football tonight, I think it's time to let them fend for themselves..

Ok, back to serious discussion; you're right wonkerer, I'm sure there is a half decent way to pull out. But we've already waited quite a few years for someone to come up with such an idea. It's depressing, that's what it is..

25. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

I think, the question to consider is not should the US stay or go.
The real question is, what are the US going to do, to clean up the mess, should they pull out of Iraq.

My proposed solution, is that the US open up immigration to all Iraqis, who cannot live a normal life in post war Iraq.
If the tax payers of the US can afford the war, they can also afford this.

Mel

26. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

I'm curious what everyone thinks will happen between the Shiites and Sunnis and Kurds once US troops really do pull out. Our nightly news coverage shows mostly car bombs killing innocent Iraqis. Will they suddenly stop killing each other because we're not there? I imagine it will be an even larger bloodbath when the troops leave, and the country will split into 3 territories.

One thing about Saddam.......he knew how to keep his countrymen from killing each other en masse. Not too dissimilar from Marshall Tito, Joey Stalin, Chairman Mao, among others. Nothing like fear of a dictator and his secret police to keep you in line.

Of course this was a fool's errand. It's revenge for Daddy in '91 as well as convincing America that it won't hurt a bit paying USD$3.50 for a gallon of Iraqi SUV Juice. Conveniently in this brilliant plan to take over the world, President Pinky has a promise from VP Brain that all their friends in the oil business will be able to provide college educations for their spawn until the end of time. Oh, and drive ever larger limousines powered the aforementioned SUV Juice.

Everybody calls Bush an idiot. OK, no stretch there, but consider how difficult it is to get on camera with that obnoxious little smirk and tell people "either yer with us, or against us". It brings a little tear to my eye *sniff* when I see so many of my fellow Americans marching lockstep with statements like that. It gives me hope that, one day, I too may be able to take over the world.

27. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

My proposed solution, is that the US open up immigration to all Iraqis, who cannot live a normal life in post war Iraq.
If the tax payers of the US can afford the war, they can also afford this.

Mel

Thanks Mel, but what makes you think US taxpayers can afford this mess? And please don't lump all Americans into one mold, and I promise not to make German and Irish jokes.

28. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting beerman

Quoting Mel.

My proposed solution, is that the US open up immigration to all Iraqis, who cannot live a normal life in post war Iraq.
If the tax payers of the US can afford the war, they can also afford this.

Mel

Thanks Mel, but what makes you think US taxpayers can afford this mess? And please don't lump all Americans into one mold, and I promise not to make German and Irish jokes.

If the tax payers money is not enough, the oil profits could be added to it.

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 13, 2007, at 1:17 PM by Mel. ]

29. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

The U.S. won't pull out until they have a 'friendly' government installed. A government that will allow them to build military bases and pipelines.

30. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Well, the US House of Representatives have voted for a withdrawal of troops by April 2008, yet Bush is standing firm, suggesting that this is merely a reaction to opinion polls.

What should be done?

What should have been done?

The usual reasons for the invasion of Iraq -

Oil.
Oil is the most important source of energy and industrial derivatives, but it is not solely found in the moslem world (Saudi/Iraq/Iran).
If the US wanted to secure oil supplies, there are other far less violent countries to get it from.
Instead of antagonising over 1 billion moslems, the CIA could have overthrown Chavez in Venezuela (scarcely a precedent) or simply bribed a few hundred top officials of Nigeria.
That oft-quoted reason doesn't stack up.

The goddamned Sad-of-a-bitch tried to kill ma daddie.

Why wait all these years to do it and waste billions of dollars and thousands of American lives?
Even Bush isn't that Waco!!!

Crusaders/Zionists want to destroy Islam.
Khomeini spouted that crap and disagreeing with ayatallohs gets you killed.

We should have finished the job in Afghanistan and left Sadie killing his own people in peace.

Aragorn, get out of there