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11. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

By pegging the minimum wage to the age, employers would hire younger people, that's true. But that means the same jobs become unavailable to older people who may still need minimum wage work for some reason. That would penialize older workers who presumably would have greater responsibilities and debts (ex. single parents, new immigrants with families, unskilled workers with homes, etc.).

What happens in practice though is that everybody tends to get the same rate, ie the higher minimum wage, because as Tway rightly points out, they do the same job. Generally speaking, younger people get the lower rate only when they aren't of age to do the main job, for example, in a pub - anyone under 18 can't serve booze so they might wash the glasses and get paid a bit less.

Mel - I have never heard any such criticism of the age-related minimum wage structure; please correct me if I'm wrong by providing references for such an argument.

12. Posted by flo jo (Respected Member 414 posts) 9y

Minimun salary is 892 euros before tax in Andorra. Am really against the fact to pay under wage to younger. May be because as a student I used to kill myself at work for nothing. For the one of you who dont understand the big deal about different wage depending of your age, try to answer this questions:

What is the price of a liter of milk if you are under 18?
What´s the rent if you are under 18?
What´s the price of a kilo of meat if you are under 18?

The only price which change when you are under 18 is your hourly wage.

Even worse than different minimum wage is school practise. I had to work for 10 hours a day for 4 months every year during four years at 200 french francs a months ( 20 pounds). Yes I learned a lot especially how not to treat people.

13. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Mel - I have never heard any such criticism of the age-related minimum wage structure; please correct me if I'm wrong by providing references for such an argument.

Mickeyboab, what kinda references are u demanding? Should I ask the leftist minded people I know, to personally email u with their comments? Provided they are willing, that is. I am inclinded to tell u to find your own leftist friends to provide u with the criticisms.

And, everybody does not get the same. Wages are often subject to negotiation, in companies. Young people who need work experience will not have much negotiating clout. And if the companies are legally not bound to pay them as much as older people, then that gives them even less clout. The company argument would be something like "The government said, we dont need to pay u as much, so u cant argue with that, can u?". Also people with better negotiating skills often tend to get payed more, than equally skilled and equally productive people in the same company, doing the same job, even if negotiating is not one of the skills they were hired to for.

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 1:50 AM by Mel. ]

14. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting mikeyBoab

Mel - I have never heard any such criticism of the age-related minimum wage structure; please correct me if I'm wrong by providing references for such an argument.

Mickeyboab, what kinda references are u demanding?

How about a link to an academic website demonstrating that there is widespread concern about exploitation of young people as a result of the staggered minimum wage system?

With regard to negotiation - there can be no negotiation of the minimum wage - it is illegal for any company to pay an employee less than the minimum wage. I'm not referring to people negotiating a higher wage.

15. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

How about a link to an academic website demonstrating that there is widespread concern about exploitation of young people as a result of the staggered minimum wage system?

Why cant u do your own googling, Mickeyboab, if u want this information?
An argument that everybody gets payed the same is just way too naive, for me to have any interest in countering.

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 2:40 AM by Mel. ]

16. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Mickeyboab, my best left leaning friend has agreed to oblige u with a comment.
It is my boyfriend. He used to be a member of the youth labour party, in his younger days. He does not have his own website, but if he is willing, I will ask him to point u towards the information on the youth labour party site.

Here is my boyfriends comment

Has mikey ever seen a Dutch supermarket? 99% of all people at the checkout are 16/17 years old. When they turn 18, they get replaced by the next kiddo. In Germany, the situation isn't much different.

Anyone who can explain why a 16 year old does a lesser job than an 18 year old in a job that takes about 2 hours to learn and for which job experience is not necessary, can also explain why a 16 year old should earn less for that job, I suppose.

I asked lefty friend, if he can point to anything, that would give his opinion more weight. ie, is he an expert of any kind, on this sort of thing
I was a member of the Jonge Socialisten, who are officially independant from, but are subsidized by the Partij van de Arbeid (Dutch Labour Party) - most JS members went on the become PvdA members later.

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 3:10 AM by Mel. ]

17. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

[u]I asked lefty friend.

Wasn't that the name of the glove Murdock was wearing in the A-team series?

Anyway, if all people would cost the same, why bother to higher someone who doesn't have any experience? And that my dear friends answers all questions...muhahahaha. I don't think both lefties and righties would like to have all people under 30 jobless I hope;)

But there is something to say for both parties of course. But of course, we don't want kids/young people to be spoiled do we

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 3:33 AM by Utrecht ]

18. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Has mikey ever seen a Dutch supermarket? 99% of all people at the checkout are 16/17 years old. When they turn 18, they get replaced by the next kiddo. In Germany, the situation isn't much different.

So you are saying that they get sacked?

19. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht

Anyway, if all people would cost the same, why bother to higher someone who doesn't have any experience? And that my dear friends answers all questions...muhahahaha. I don't think both lefties and righties would like to have all people under 30 jobless I hope;)

My boyfriends response to u. I replaced original swearword, with sugary.

We're talking sugary jobs that require no experience here. In real life, this just means that you're out when you get too old, because you can easily be replaced by someone without experience. Just look at the people who do these jobs, it's not hard to see.

To me, the experience thing is just an excuse to be able to pay people under the minimum wage. As if an 18 year old would get a job sooner because his precious experience behind the checkout in Albert Hein for two years. Nonsense.

20. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Hold on a minute - when I said a reference, I didn't mean ask the person next to you to back up your opinion with one that was the same as yours. That's not referencing . . . .

As for telling me to google it . . . it's not my argument, it's yours - back it up.

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