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21. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Hold on a minute - when I said a reference, I didn't mean ask the person next to you to back up your opinion with one that was the same as yours. That's not referencing . . . .

As for telling me to google it . . . it's not my argument, it's yours - back it up.

MickeyBoab, my resistance to trawling for information for u is my way of saying u are being pushy.

And I purposely started my comment with "some would critisize the age related minimum wage", to indicate that I am giving the opinion of some people(and I did not say if they are the people sitting next to me, or some academic sitting wherever or some other people entirely), rather than my own. Although I am tending towards that opinion myself. I consider it a kindness, that I asked my boyfriend to answer the question for u, at all. If his knowledge and experience is not enough for u, then do your own research.

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 5:02 AM by Mel. ]

22. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

And, everybody does not get the same. Wages are often subject to negotiation, in companies. Young people who need work experience will not have much negotiating clout.

This has nothing to do with minimum wage! Of course wages are subject to negotiation. When you walk in to an interview, you'll be hired based on experience, references, your asking salay and so on. It's not so much about your numerical age as your ability to do the job being posted - which, generally, means the older you are and the more experience you have, the more you'll be paid. Which means the more you learn and the more apt you become in your job, the more you'll be paid. It's about incentive, drive, dedication, aptitude. If everyone were paid the same (and I'm not talkng about minimum-wage jobs here - I'm talking about experienced-based jobs), there would be no incentive to learn and grow and take on more responsibilities. Everyone would put in the bare minimum, and it would be a pretty sorry sight.

23. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

I am not being pushy, I merely asked you to justify what you said. I'm certainly not going to research an argument I disagree with - if you want people to agree with you, tell us why what you said is the case.

And your boyfriend's opinion would be relevant if he could back up what he was saying with official figures and statistics. I do not care about his political affiliations; if anything, membership of a political party would automatically suggest that his viewpoint is influenced by his party's view. I have great respect for the Socialist movement but I do not believe that membership of any party gives people the right to speak with any authority. Anyone can join a political party for a fee without even knowing what the party's aims or policies are.

24. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

What happens in practice though is that everybody tends to get the same rate, ie the higher minimum wage, because as Tway rightly points out, they do the same job. Generally speaking, younger people get the lower rate only when they aren't of age to do the main job, for example, in a pub - anyone under 18 can't serve booze so they might wash the glasses and get paid a bit less.

Unfortunately, I still don't see how that deals with my initial criticism of the system. If all one can do to support one's family is wash dishes then that's the job you need even if you make minimum wage.

25. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Quoting james

So you are saying that they get sacked?

Heeheeheeheeheehee....c'mon, now that's funny

USA minimum wage: $5.85 now, $6.55 next July, and $7.25 July '09. This varies from state to state, but it cannot be lower than the federal minimum. Illinois, for example, is already at $7.00/hr.

I see that this thread has become an argument over some people being paid less than others for doing the same job. How nice.

So rather than argue, come up with a solution. Leftists usually know just as little as rightists, so their opinions are equally useless. Is there no middle ground? Everybody claims that "change" is needed, yet no one can present a solution that's practical for everyone. Getting paid less? Too bad, sucks to be you. Work hard and educate yourself and you're likely to succeed. Too many people want something for nothing......gee, how about working your way up the ladder rather than living on the dole and expecting the government to help. Would you like help wiping your ass everyday too? Oh, yes, let's help the poor downtrodden little 16 year-old....in fact, let's just pool our money and donate it to all the the poor starving 16 year-olds in the world who have to work for minimum wage. Boo hoo....better yet, let's buy them all cars so they don't have to ride that mean old public transportation system.

Stop pointing your fingers at what's wrong if you can't come up with a solution.

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 5:52 AM by beerman ]

26. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Unfortunately, I still don't see how that deals with my initial criticism of the system. If all one can do to support one's family is wash dishes then that's the job you need even if you make minimum wage.

Sorry Q, I think I've misunderstood your point. Are you meaning that older (ie 22+) might lose their jobs in favour of a younger (and cheaper) model?

27. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

I am not being pushy, I merely asked you to justify what you said. I'm certainly not going to research an argument I disagree with - if you want people to agree with you, tell us why what you said is the case.

And your boyfriend's opinion would be relevant if he could back up what he was saying with official figures and statistics. I do not care about his political affiliations; if anything, membership of a political party would automatically suggest that his viewpoint is influenced by his party's view. I have great respect for the Socialist movement but I do not believe that membership of any party gives people the right to speak with any authority. Anyone can join a political party for a fee without even knowing what the party's aims or policies are.

Dont u have any counter arguments, for my opinion?
What is the point in just saying that u disagree with me.
Well, saying it once would have a point. It would be your opinion. But to continue arguing, without comming up with any counter arguments.......

28. Posted by lagered (Budding Member 230 posts) 9y

Mel, since you are closer to this you can correct me if I am wrong. Aren’t the German citizens required to do a year of service in the military around the age of 18? If that is the case, it would most certainly account for a large degree of overturn in your local grocery stores...etc.

Back to the topic, minimum wage is designed to help those who are not educated or those who are not able to secure employment paying higher than the minimum wage. Should we feel sorry for kids who have to make money to put themselves through school? If these kids want to stay poor and useless for the rest of their lives, then by all means keep them. These jobs traditionally have a high rate of turn over and there is nothing wrong with that. These kids need experience and organization. If they aren’t able to develop either of these skills then society will not have a great use for them.

Society is not responsible to help those who will not help themselves. Say what you want but safety nets in society encourage lower standards and mediocrity. If I knew that if I lost my job and that everyone else was going to pay my way through comfortably, then what is my motivation to do anything at all?

We are as a whole a society that picks the low hanging fruit from the tree. If people on minimum wage complain about the amount they get paid, perhaps they should evaluate their life and make some changes so that they are a real benefit to society. This isn’t harsh, this is reality. Deal with it.

29. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting lagered

Mel, since you are closer to this you can correct me if I am wrong. Aren’t the German citizens required to do a year of service in the military around the age of 18? If that is the case, it would most certainly account for a large degree of overturn in your local grocery stores...etc.

Would it not be better to ask a German member, to correct u, if u are wrong, on this issue at least?

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 6:49 AM by Mel. ]

30. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Quoting Q'

Unfortunately, I still don't see how that deals with my initial criticism of the system. If all one can do to support one's family is wash dishes then that's the job you need even if you make minimum wage.

Sorry Q, I think I've misunderstood your point. Are you meaning that older (ie 22+) might lose their jobs in favour of a younger (and cheaper) model?

Yes. As I wrote earlier " But that means the same jobs become unavailable to older people who may still need minimum wage work for some reason. "

My understanding of how the minimum wage is set is to ensure a basic standard of living for people. There's other mechanisms to help people and families as well, but it begins with the minimum wage. If you work hard, educate yourself, and gain more experience you earn more. See why I have problems understanding how an age based system works ?

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 7, 2007, at 7:04 AM by Q' ]

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