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51. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Time for a true story.

Now that would make a change....

52. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting tway

It's a matter of caveat emptor - or employee emptor, I suppose.

I am not sure I know what u mean, by this.
Would u mind explaining?

53. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

It's a matter of caveat emptor - or employee emptor, I suppose.

I am not sure I know what u mean, by this.
Would u mind explaining?

From the Latin - let the buyer beware

I think Tway is implying that, in this life, you need to look out for yourself, cos no one else will.

54. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Going back to the original posts. All these numbers are great, but I have no idea whether you can actually live on those figures.

I think the more important question is how rich is the company.
If it is a small business, which can only afford to pay minimum wage, then that is what they need to do, to survive. And those getting payed this minimum wage can do their best with it. Those are the circumstances.
Paying minimum and low wages becomes immoral when a well established company can afford to give its managers and directors large pay rises every year, and yet they tell their mininimum wage employees that this is all they will pay or even fire and replace them with younger cheaper models.

55. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

It was my second year, with that company, when me and some of my colleagues were on the late shift. Around 10 of us, out of the 30 who were doing the same job as I was. We were supposed to keep our wages secret, but we decided to tell anyway. I and 2 others were earning the lowest wages of the group. The others were earning 2 to 4 thousand per annum more.
A few months later my boss said it is time for my 6 monthly review and gave me a list of topics which would be discussed at it. I told her, that I would like to all a discussion about my wages, because people doing my job are getting payed more by companies these days.
At the review, I received a 40% pay raise, instead of the 5% max that all employees got every 6 months. I was told to keep this secret, from the others. I asked if I am now getting the highest wage in my section, because I should, when I have the highest and most satisfactory performance. She said I was. I did some more asking around, and discovered that there were still 2 out of the 30 in my section earning a thousand more than me, per year. Neither had been working longer for this company, than I had.
I hope u are starting to see, that it is the business of employees to know what everybody else is getting payed. Otherwise there is a situation where unfairness and/or discrimination may occurr. Managers in companies have a budget. They will economise with any employee who allows it.

This "sharing" of salary information with others ultimately benefited you as you did receive a pay raise. What it also demonstrated is that you, and the other 10 employees, had little regard for and/or were incapable of keeping confidential information confidential. From your description, all of you chose to exchange this information, which was within all of your rights. The fact that you openly used this knowledge as leverage to negotiate greater personal gain truly borders on unethical behavior by an employee. Such an action brought the trustworthiness of one third the workforce into question and rightfully so. Basically, if you have chosen to share that knowledge, what other confidential information has been breached? Not only did it undermine the manager, it also undermined the department as a whole, including the 20 people who were not part of this information exchange. Again, it is not the business of the employees to know what everyone earns. If a person is not capable of negotiating better wages for themselves based on their own performance then that's a skill they need to work on. But, using one's fellow employees for personal gain is unacceptable.

56. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

It's a matter of caveat emptor - or employee emptor, I suppose.

I am not sure I know what u mean, by this.
Would u mind explaining?

From the Latin - let the buyer beware

I think Tway is implying that, in this life, you need to look out for yourself, cos no one else will.

Exactly!

57. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Isadora

Raises and compensation are based on the behavior and work each employee does individually. They earn that increase on their own merit

They can also be based on age, sex, race, religion....
If wages are secret, how can this be monitored? Doesnt a person have a right to know, if they are being treated fairly, in comparison with other employees, in the company? And if the company is being fair, then surely they would have nothing to hide, so wages should not be something to be kept secret?

When did personal responsibility fall by the wayside? Utopia does not exist in the working world, nor should it. If someone feels they are not being compensated fairly, it is their own personal responsibility to try and affect change for themselves. It is the responsibility of a company's Human Resourses Dept. and the supervisors to monitor the equity of the wage scales - not all of the employees. HR and supervisors are the people you address when you believe you are being treated/paid unfairly. You seem to take for granted that all employees want to know this information - they do not. It tends to be the insecure worker that feels more secure when they have "inside" information they hope they can use as leverage.

58. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

Going back to the original posts. All these numbers are great, but I have no idea whether you can actually live on those figures.

I think the more important question is how rich is the company.
If it is a small business, which can only afford to pay minimum wage, then that is what they need to do, to survive. And those getting payed this minimum wage can do their best with it. Those are the circumstances.
Paying minimum and low wages becomes immoral when a well established company can afford to give its managers and directors large pay rises every year, and yet they tell their mininimum wage employees that this is all they will pay or even fire and replace them with younger cheaper models.

You're kidding me, right ?!?

59. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

This "sharing" of salary information with others ultimately benefited you as you did receive a pay raise. What it also demonstrated is that you, and the other 10 employees, had little regard for and/or were incapable of keeping confidential information confidential.

Sort of on a tangent. But I've always been of two minds about this. Wages are a check-n-balance between employers and employees. The only real way to find out whether you're being paid fairly is to be constantly on the lookout for higher wages by applying for new jobs. Even if it's just to check your worth.

I feel that discourages loyalty to the job and doesn't allow the buildup of skills within a job. If I was a company I might even publish the salaries. Starbucks does it with their benefits and has reaped the rewards of it. The professional engineers of ontario does this encourage strong relations between engineers and employers. The government and hospitals here do it because it's public money paying the salaries. But some companies have a "wink-wink" policy of looking the other way interms of employees sharing salary information.

60. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

This "sharing" of salary information with others ultimately benefited you as you did receive a pay raise. What it also demonstrated is that you, and the other 10 employees, had little regard for and/or were incapable of keeping confidential information confidential. From your description, all of you chose to exchange this information, which was within all of your rights. The fact that you openly used this knowledge as leverage to negotiate greater personal gain truly borders on unethical behavior by an employee. Such an action brought the trustworthiness of one third the workforce into question and rightfully so. Basically, if you have chosen to share that knowledge, what other confidential information has been breached? Not only did it undermine the manager, it also undermined the department as a whole, including the 20 people who were not part of this information exchange. Again, it is not the business of the employees to know what everyone earns. If a person is not capable of negotiating better wages for themselves based on their own performance then that's a skill they need to work on. But, using one's fellow employees for personal gain is unacceptable.

Well, why did not fire me Isadora?
Is that not what should happen to such an unethical person?
And isnt it what should happen, to a person who undermines the manager?
Answer: It would be unwise fire an employee, who is making too much money for the company, but it would be nice if they could have such an employee, at a bargin price.
What is it u like about keeping this information secret?
Suits your managment style, does it?
Need to have an unfair advantage over people, do u?
Dont have a reasonable explanation for the decisions u make, so it is better if they are kept secret?
Or maybe u favour your friends and click, when it comes to granting pay raises and promotions?