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61. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

Going back to the original posts. All these numbers are great, but I have no idea whether you can actually live on those figures.

I think the more important question is how rich is the company.
If it is a small business, which can only afford to pay minimum wage, then that is what they need to do, to survive. And those getting payed this minimum wage can do their best with it. Those are the circumstances.
Paying minimum and low wages becomes immoral when a well established company can afford to give its managers and directors large pay rises every year, and yet they tell their mininimum wage employees that this is all they will pay or even fire and replace them with younger cheaper models.

You're kidding me, right ?!?

No Q, I am not kidding u.
Here is an example that is happening, at the moment, of some dirty business being done by companies.
Many major companies in Europe, decided to move to the former Eastern Block countries, because labour is cheaper, over there. As if that is not bad enough, they dont have the decency to give many of their employees in the Western countries, that they are leaving a severence package as they are legally supposed to. They prefer to make their working lives hell, in the hope that they will resign.

62. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Isadora

It is the responsibility of a company's Human Resourses Dept. and the supervisors to monitor the equity of the wage scales .

But they dont do this Isadora, do they?
Or maybe they monitor, and ignore inequalities they find?

63. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

No Q, I am not kidding u.
Here is an example that is happening, at the moment, of some dirty business being done by companies.
Many major companies in Europe, decided to move to the former Eastern Block countries, because labour is cheaper, over there. As if that is not bad enough, they dont have the decency to give many of their employees in the Western countries, that they are leaving a severence package as they are legally supposed to. They prefer to make their working lives hell, in the hope that they will resign.

caveat emptor

64. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

U dont agree with that, do u?
Well, it is lucky for u, that the Canadian immigration dont.
Are both of your parents from the People Republic of China?

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 8, 2007, at 8:09 AM by Mel. ]

65. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

U dont agree with that, do u?
Well, it is lucky for u, that the Canadian immigration dont.
Are both of your parents from the People Republic of China?

That's completely ridiculous . . . what does that have to do with anything?

66. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

U dont agree with that, do u?
Well, it is lucky for u, that the Canadian immigration dont.
Are both of your parents from the People Republic of China?

Of course I do. You think the Canadian government or Chinese government will protect you ?

The only people who deserve to have others take care of them are children.

67. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

U dont agree with that, do u?
Well, it is lucky for u, that the Canadian immigration dont.
Are both of your parents from the People Republic of China?

Of course I do. You think the Canadian government or Chinese government will protect you ?

The only people who deserve to have others take care of them are children.

And the elderly . . .

68. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 9y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Quoting Q'

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

U dont agree with that, do u?
Well, it is lucky for u, that the Canadian immigration dont.
Are both of your parents from the People Republic of China?

Of course I do. You think the Canadian government or Chinese government will protect you ?

The only people who deserve to have others take care of them are children.

And the elderly . . .

Good point. As someone once said "we all get old".

69. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 9y

Quoting Q'

caveat emptor

I already tried that route, Q. Nothin' doin'.

70. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting Isadora

It is the responsibility of a company's Human Resourses Dept. and the supervisors to monitor the equity of the wage scales .

But they dont do this Isadora, do they?
Or maybe they monitor, and ignore inequalities they find?

They are legally bound to do this in the UK - Employment Law which is basically what is being discussed here comes down strongly on the side of the employee.

If an employee who feels a company is being discriminatory or unfair - whether in salary or career advancement or whatever have every given right to take action and call into question the decisions made.

HR depts (UK LAW) must report to governing bodies on salary, age,sex and religion of employees on an annual basis - those who do not face severe pennalties.

Ive been reading these posts (from someone who works within management and to a lesser extent HR - although lm doing my HR CIPD professional exams come Sept then l will be more qualified to speak authoratively) and l cannot believe my eyes as to what is being said or general asumptions made, about employers (and yes l am looking at this from a bias view point as being a departmental manager).

There are exceptions out there but the majority of UK (and l can only comment on UK employers) employers will treat their employees "fairly" and within the "remits of the law". That statement is very broad and sweeping BUT, in my opinion its true.

As for salary - salary is a personal matter but in general those doing the same role should be paid the same salary and if a colleague is being paid more for whatever reason the employee has the right to question this. Some companies will benchmark roles - therefore dependent on experience or ability your salary will fall into a certain level within given peramenters - ie a gas engineer could earn in the company l work for £18k+ bonus up to £27k + bonus (lm generalising here btw!) therefore dependent on experience, qualifications and ability you will earn somewhere in that area - it is up to the indvidual to fight their corner and come to an agreement with their line manager, with evidence as to where within that level you fall.

The minimum wage (back to the original question) was brought into the UK to ensure a basic standard of pay - it is by no means wonderful but its sure is a heck of a lot better than not having such minimum levels.

I can say this from the view point that l do know l work for an excellent employer - who was voted 10th best company to work for in the UK - by their employees.

Purdy has now stepped off her soap box - before she becomes even more incoherent in her train of thought!