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11. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 9y

Quoting Utrecht


- I only smoke light cigarettes
- I sleep long so I don't have any chance to damage the environment

hehe, that made me laugh

12. Posted by Buttfish (Respected Member 298 posts) 9y

interesting to hear different sides. thanks guys.

to add; i don't drive, but i like the shopping bag idea...

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 5, 2007, at 7:35 PM by Latarina ]

13. Posted by Wonkerer (Respected Member 592 posts) 9y

I don't know if this has as much to do with global warming, but just with keeping up the earth in general - I donate and reuse everything I possibly can. I only throw out clothing if it's threadbare. Even if I can't use something, I figure someone else probably can. Along the same lines I try to buy things at second hand stores. Basically reuse, reuse, reuse:)

14. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1656 posts) 9y

Quoting Latarina

This may not be a question for all...but at least for some:

Providing global warming is really in effect (at least I think it is) - what do you do to help reverse it (even though I think "reverse" is a bit of a strong word at this point)? What do other people do in other countries? Or what did you see them do?

Juuuuust wondering. Got into a discussion with my coworker just now, and it makes me wonder. Especially since we work in a post house, in a specific room that sucks up a lot of energy...

We recycle cans, bottles, papers, the usual. Turn the lights on when needed (you know..when it's dark?), don't use things like hair dryers so much, use alarm clocks with batteries (though I wonder if that helps at all, sometimes), turn off laptops etc when not used, don't overdo the sprinklers on the side, charge the cell phone when it's down to two or one bar (not every night), at work power down as much as allowed for weekends (unfortunately, a lot of stuff still stays on)...it's not a lot, even though it's something..but there's still a lot that can be done that isn't.

So..anyone?

Kat

Of course we should try to keep the environment clean. You know, do our part to keep the air clean, keep the rivers free of contaminants, try to conserve and recycle - BUT to believe that HUMAN BEINGS are solely responsible for GLOBAL WARMING isn't supported by facts!

Of course FACTS shouldn't get in the way of accusations that HUMAN BEINGS are responsible for GLOBAL WARMING, in particular the United States!

Over the past million years there have been thousands of Global Warming periods and and not a single one caused by man or man's machines (like SUV's!)

Who is to say that weather that is slightly warmer is the "real norm" and slightly cooler weather is abnormal! Right now there are glaciers in the mountains of Europe that have receded and revealed the remnants of ancient villages proving that that area was warm enough to support life thousands of years ago before being covered by ice!

Around 20,000 years ago glaciers from our last ICE AGE was in the process of receding, melting away and exposing areas that had been covered by ice for thousands of years! The glaciers of our last ice age melted and receded all without any help from modern man!

Global Warming is a normal event that has happened without man's assistance thousands of times over the many millions of years! Global Warming is a normal event that man can not change in any way, real or imagined! Man's contribution to Global Warming is quite insignificant! It is common sense to recycle, stop unnecessary pollution and conserve but the bottom line is - even without any human beings in the world - we would still have Global Warming!

15. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 9y

Karazyal, the *fact* that there now is a consensus view among the world's most respected scientists that humans are in fact to blame for this global warming period is enough of a fact for me. Many things are impossible to prove as facts - hence even well established scientific principles as gravity are still known as theories.

In any case, the original question clearly didn't seek to get into a discussion about whether global warming was caused by humans. And no-one was finger-pointing at the US either. We're all in this mess together.

16. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1656 posts) 9y

[quote=Peter]Karazyal, the *fact* that there now is a consensus view among the world's most respected scientists that humans are in fact to blame for this global warming period is enough of a fact for me.

For every scientist that supports human beings as the sole cause of "Global Warming" you can find a scientist that debunks this theory! What ever cause a particular person believes in you can find "experts" to support those beliefs!

The facts are that we have had many periods of Global Warming in our past - all without the help of man! If there were no human beings on earth we would still have a period of Global Warming!

To me, the accusation that only human beings are responsible for Global Warming is all politics!

I recycle, I don't have a gas guzzler, I ride bicycles and walk a lot, my house is well insulated and I do what I can to conserve electricity and petrol products - but I am not going to live out in the woods in a tent and only eat what I grow!

17. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 9y

Quoting karazyal

For every scientist that supports human beings as the sole cause of "Global Warming" you can find a scientist that debunks this theory!

I recycle, I don't have a gas guzzler, I ride bicycles and walk a lot, my house is well insulated and I do what I can to conserve electricity and petrol products - but I am not going to live out in the woods in a tent and only eat what I grow!

I wouldn't suggest that you go live in a tent either! It sounds like you're doing pretty much what anyone would expect the average person to do. But the statement that "For every scientist that supports human beings as the sole cause of "Global Warming" you can find a scientist that debunks this theory!" I can't understand. Well, perhaps for scientists that say humans are the "sole" cause you could find many who disagree. I don't know that there are many that claim that though.

The most reliable place to look for a somewhat agreed view on these matters is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It is made up of representatives from around the world, many with a vested interest in denying humans caused global warming. Because of that, their statements are usually watered down to appease those representatives. Wording is carefully crafted as a result and has in the past been considered extremely conservative. In light of that, their latest statement is fairly well defined:

Most of (>50% of) the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (confidence level >90%) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.

I don't believe you will actually find many legitimate scientists that would disagree with the above statement.

18. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1656 posts) 9y

Quoting Peter

Quoting karazyal

For every scientist that supports human beings as the sole cause of "Global Warming" you can find a scientist that debunks this theory!

The most reliable place to look for a somewhat agreed view on these matters is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It is made up of representatives from around the world, many with a vested interest in denying humans caused global warming. Because of that, their statements are usually watered down to appease those representatives. Wording is carefully crafted as a result and has in the past been considered extremely conservative. In light of that, their latest statement is fairly well defined:
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I don't believe you will actually find many legitimate scientists that would disagree with the above statement.

This is not correct! There are thousands of legitimate scientists that do not believe humans are responsible for Global Warming!

Anytime there is an "International Body" that has the power to make decisions the result will almost always be a finding against Western countries. When countries, like those we find in the United Nations, have an equal vote to decide an issue or make recommendations - the West will pay the cost! Nations run by dictators, Marxist, socialists, criminals, despots and in general countries that are jealous of the West who cast their vote - it will almost always come to a result that the West must pay in some way! They all have a vote in the UN and the West will be found wrong! Kyoto is one of those decisions!

Prove Global Warming is caused by human beings and win $100,000!
http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/

Global Warming debunked! (Thousands of articles available!)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/14/161152.shtml
http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=264777
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/sections/commentary/BOOK%20REVIEWS/article_474430.php
ETC.

Kyoto Protocol
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/278.html
http://www.naz.edu:9000/~nanatoli/us.htm

The bottom line is always the same - we have had thousands and thousands of "Global Warming" periods in the past and the number of Global Warming periods caused by man has been ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE AT ALL! And the question that decides the issue of man caused Global Warming is "would we have Global Warming on earth if there were no human beings living here at all?" The answer is yes! Man is not responsible for Global Warming, Mother Nature yes, my mama and papa no!

19. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 9y

Yes, there are plenty of articles in the media attempting to dispute global warming. The media, in a misguided attempt to be "balanced" unfortunately gives them far too much credibility, rarely bothering to check their sources thoroughly. After all, controversy sells!

I've gone to the effort of digging up information on other sceptics before and almost without exception they can be fairly easily linked back to an oil company (usually Exxon). As an example, here's some background on Junkscience.com, the guys who run that Ultimate Global Warming Challenge website.

But anyway, clearly this debate could totally take over the thread. Considering the original poster specifically didn't want to get into this kind of discussion, I'll leave my comments at that :)

20. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1656 posts) 9y

[quote=Peter]Yes, there are plenty of articles in the media attempting to dispute global warming. The media, in a misguided attempt to be "balanced" unfortunately gives them far too much credibility, rarely bothering to check their sources thoroughly. After all, controversy sells!

I agree with your above statement. The media rarely bothers to check their facts when it comes to Global Warming, especially if the story is blaming humans for this natural event! Fair and balance is something that is hard to get out of many media sources when it comes to GL.

But you are right, this is not the intent of the original post!

This is trash day, got to go and sort the plastic, cans and paper junk from the dustbin!

G'day