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1. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 23 Aug '07 00:40

10MP Canon 40D

New Canon IS lenses

12MP Nikon D300

New Nikon f2.8 lenses

Personally, the 51 area AF in the D300 sounds very interesting and finally somebody woke up, smelt the coffee, and put in LiveView which allows one to compose through the LCD. This is something the P&S have had since the beginning and LiveView should have been in dSLR's a long long long time ago. It's inexcusable that it took so long to get it as a feature in my view. Hope it focuses better than the D70 (yeah it will ).

On the other hand it's only 12.2MP (although with great low noise performance I hear). I was hoping for something along the lines of 16 or 18MP. But again, I'm disappointed as I was with the D200 when it first came out. To give Nikon some credit, I guess all the effort went into the new AF system which Nikon sorely needed. I'll bet the D3X uses up all that silicon now available in the FX format and has around 20MP to compete with the new Canon pro model.

And the 14-24mm f2.8 is just want I've been looking for. Now if I could just afford it....;-)

[ Edit: Added more after reading more spec's. ]

2. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4394 posts) 28 Aug '07 19:07

Wow... Just, wow...
That D3... The max ISO is insane. And the speed! 9fps full frame!
And then I love how they're revealing the D300 at the same time, rather than waiting x months with it.
I'm not bothered by the 'lack' of megapixels, although given the 1Ds Mark III, I guess a D3X with ~20MP is inevitable in a couple of months, at which point I'll no doubt be drooling over that. (Mostly because it'd be a viable upgrade option (not thinking about cost) with still enough resolution that using my DX lenses on it would make sense. And suddenly I can see a reason for 16GB Extreme IV compact flash cards! ...speaking of, the dual slots are so obviously perfect that I can't believe they weren't there already. Although I really want triple slots so I can have both backup and overflow!) :D And nice to see the 'self-cleaning' sensor finally come to Nikon.

Looking at the improvements of the four cameras, I think the Canon 40D looks to be the least interesting upgrade, although it does definitely pull far ahead of the Nikon D80 (how long until the D90? and how much of the D3/D300 improvements will that carry over?).
I also figure it might be a lot more interesting an upgrade if you're a Canon shooter and know the lacks of the 30D; ...anyone want to enlighten me?

As for the lenses... I'm really glad the 14-24 is $1800, or about twice as expensive as the 12-24, or I might have to start lamenting my purchase of the latter, with barely a single trip using it behind me. ('course, it'll be a must-buy if I ever buy into the D3X, but then, the cost of the lens will be as nothing next to that of the camera, so that works out fine...) :)

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 28, 2007, at 7:21 PM by Sander ]

3. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 11 Sep '07 12:30

Quoting Sander

Looking at the improvements of the four cameras, I think the Canon 40D looks to be the least interesting upgrade

Sorry, been away travelling for the last 2 weeks and just now got back. Very much agree with you assessment. The new Nikons look much more interesting than the new Canons (before anyone gets upset I had the exact opposite opinion with the last generation).

The new focusing system is the leap forward in my mind. And it's a nice big leap forward. They've packed a lot of great technology in it. I had so many problems with my D70 focusing on this last trip that a D300 seems that much more attractive. Unfortunately, with my favourite subjects and my workflow the extra megapixels do make a difference and they just haven't quite crossed over into the area I want. Enough so that I'll probably stick to my guns and wait for the D400.

The D3 or D3X (when it appears) is nice, but it's essentially a studio camera. Too big to lug around on anything other than an car trip. I like the flexibility of the D300 sized bodies.

The super high ISO's are interesting, but I can't claim any real experience with them. It might that they use a lot of digital filtering or software manipulation to get there. Still I love to work without flash.

4. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4394 posts) 11 Sep '07 14:39

Sorry, been away travelling for the last 2 weeks and just now got back.

Heh, my slow first reply was due to being off travelling, too. (To Norway. Where have you been?) :)

And yeah, the D70's focusing really is pretty crappy. I never really realized this while using it, but the more I've been using my D200, the more I realize what a huge improvement it's been.
I'd better never pick up a D300, or I fear I'll then realize how much better things could still be... :)

5. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 12 Sep '07 10:05

Quoting Sander

Heh, my slow first reply was due to being off travelling, too. (To Norway. Where have you been?) :)

And yeah, the D70's focusing really is pretty crappy. I never really realized this while using it, but the more I've been using my D200, the more I realize what a huge improvement it's been.
I'd better never pick up a D300, or I fear I'll then realize how much better things could still be... :)

We were down in the south western USA. I've stacked a 2x teleconverter on my 70-300mm. Great bird shots in bright sunlight, and when it focuses properly. Also came in handy when I needed to reach deeeeeep into a canyon to shoot some petroglyphs. Either I haven't found the trick to it or it's just the way it is, but it hunts around like it's blind sometimes, then sometimes looses focus despite neither I nor the subject moving. I know it's not the best setup for birds (it's the least expensive one) and it drove me nuts. There's no guarantee that the new focusing system will be better, but that would be one of the things I'd want to try before I buy. I've got my medium format cameras to play with in the forseeable future, so I'm not in as much of a hurry to upgrade (eventhough I have a whole huge list of issues that need to be addressed). Have you found a way to make money with your D200 yet ?

It's always tricky. Newer gear almost always is an improvement over the old. It's always a question what's enough of an improvement to justify shelling out the $$$'s.

6. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4394 posts) 12 Sep '07 15:14

Quoting Q'

Have you found a way to make money with your D200 yet ?

No. I keep attracting flickr-raiders. The level of serious interest does seem to be growing, yet when I ask serious prices (Alamy/Getty equivalent divided by three), the reaction keeps being at the level of a deafening silence. Still, I tell myself, one of these days someone will bite, and then I'll be glad I haven't gone the pennystock route.
I probably should also just get off my lazy parts and submit a couple of hundred shots to Alamy. Except those lazy parts aren't really there, but involved in fifteen other fulltime projects already. Oh well, that's okay - photography still makes me happiest as just a hobby. :)

[ Edit: Edited on Sep 12, 2007, at 3:17 PM by Sander ]

7. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 12 Sep '07 21:40

Quoting Sander

Quoting Q'

Have you found a way to make money with your D200 yet ?

No. I keep attracting flickr-raiders. The level of serious interest does seem to be growing, yet when I ask serious prices (Alamy/Getty equivalent divided by three), the reaction keeps being at the level of a deafening silence. Still, I tell myself, one of these days someone will bite, and then I'll be glad I haven't gone the pennystock route.
I probably should also just get off my lazy parts and submit a couple of hundred shots to Alamy. Except those lazy parts aren't really there, but involved in fifteen other fulltime projects already. Oh well, that's okay - photography still makes me happiest as just a hobby. :)

Nobody appreciates the subtle quality that only someone who knows what they're doing brings. Just saw a bunch of "modelling" pics an aquintance of mine had done for her. I think it was a wedding photographer who did it, and probably he did it for free just to have the chance to shoot a pretty girl. Anyway, half the shots I would consider trash and the other half, I would photoshop.

I run into the same sort of difficulty trying to justify spending time away from my day career and girlfriend. The two always wins out. Oh well, maybe next year I'll get enough quiet time to do something.

8. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4394 posts) 13 Sep '07 13:46

Ooh, I'm just now seeing dpreview's hand's on preview of the D300, and the first thing I'm noticing in there is that the viewfinder has 100% frame coverage! (95% is so annoying when you're trying to just not include an annoying lamppost.) :)

9. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 13 Sep '07 20:04

It's a nice machine. I don't see many things I don't like about it. I bought into the D70 because it was a revolutionary machine for its time. D300 is close to being another revolution. Just a little bit more. Here's hoping for a D300X with a 18MP sensor. ;-)

10. Posted by kombizz (Full Member, 1416 posts) 3 Oct '07 20:54

In my humble opinion, a camera imakes a small part of art of PHOTOGRAPHY.

I reckon a good photographer needs to have a basic knowledge about the essence of physics, lighting, and photography by itself AND a very good eyes 4 P H O T O G R P H Y !

I have seen so many PRO photographers that even did not know the basic info about their own cameras or the basic knowledge of photography rather than clicking on their big tools .

NOW, these days in the era of DIGITAL, anybody, I mean anybody even a very young child as young as 4, can take an image by clicking !

[ Edit: sorry,no personal promotion please ]