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11. Posted by xAichax (Budding Member 5 posts) 9y

I have just read everything on this thread and i am seriously disgusted to read what really goes on...i love animals and have adopted 7 in total, but to think that the money is not helping these animals makes me feel sick and need to do something about this.

Im going to asia in 22 days and feel that i need to do something to help...anything!

Aicha

12. Posted by lodesafun (Budding Member 56 posts) 9y

http://www.tigertemple.org/Eng/index.php

Go judge for yourself.
me I've been there, got some great shots. It's the only place I know in the world to touch a tiger.
Stayed a full day, never saw dirty or abuse. maybe if I stayed 4 days I'd know everything about it.
Of course they are not running free. It's an animal compound. I've seen worse animal situations in zoo's in USA. In melbourne zoo the bears lay around all day, every day. are they drugged? or the siverback Gorillas there you can see plainly they don't like it. how about the Birds in the avery? they can only fly 10 meters in one direction. or the Tigers there. they lay around all day too. tho I must admit the Lions there have a good running area.
I love riding and washing the elephants, when you look into an elephants eyes you know you see intellegence and they seem to enjoy the interaction.
Ya I eat meat also.
wildfk is a great help to many people here, but passing on hearsay by Bushchick, who assumes much without proper investigation, is discrediting. I do agree with his second post , wondering about the credentials and capabilities of the Monks who were given these tigers. but step by step. money is needed to retain people with these qualifications and as in most of Thailand things take awhile.
I think it's a must do when in Thailand...the local area of Kanchanaburi has alot of Interest, Value and Variety for visitors to Thailand..... The best waterfalls in Thailand, River rafting, elephant riding, the tiger temple, and lest we forget the graves of many Allied POW's involved in the building of the railroad to Burma (kwai bridge). you want to know what inhumane treatment is do the hellfire pass and thank god it wasn't you that lived on meger rations of rice in humid, unhygenic conditions, working with a pickax in stone 12 hrs a day.
I imagine I'll get a few Flames from this from all the perfect people, but If you haven't been there yourself or even bothered to look at the site... your Trolling...........Flame on
I gotta go now my python boots are to tight. ( with respect to Frank Zappa.) and someone has got to pluck the chicken for dinner

13. Posted by fastfist99 (Budding Member 2 posts) 8y

I have seen tigers at the temple beaten with stick, rocks and fists. Do not support this tourist trap.

14. Posted by wildfk (Respected Member 459 posts) 8y

Here's an update on the tiger temple.......

".....have thoroughly researched the tiger temple and this is the highlights of the facts.

* the original cubs were acquired through the tiger trade
* the additional new cubs are acquired through the tiger trade
* there is no veterinary care for these tigers of any benefit, and the tigers suffer endlessly
* the diet is inadequate to the point the tigers bones are aged beyond there years
* the mortality rate is 8 - 9 years old (captive tigers can live to 26+ when cared for correctly)
* the beatings the tigers have recieved have malprinted them for life
* the wildlife trade exists in the tiger temple

Numerous other points.

Dont think that because they are buddhists, that they are immune to corruption. They are.

They may be attempting to build larger enclosures, but the temple is built on a foundation of lies and corruption and it will fall."

[ Edit: Edited on May 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM by wildfk ]

15. Posted by opospa (Travel Guru 1837 posts) 8y

Quoting wildfk

Here's an update on the tiger temple.......

".....have thoroughly researched the tiger temple and this is the highlights of the facts.

* the original cubs were acquired through the tiger trade
* the additional new cubs are acquired through the tiger trade
* there is no veterinary care for these tigers of any benefit, and the tigers suffer endlessly
* the diet is inadequate to the point the tigers bones are aged beyond there years
* the mortality rate is 8 - 9 years old (captive tigers can live to 26+ when cared for correctly)
* the beatings the tigers have recieved have malprinted them for life
* the wildlife trade exists in the tiger temple

Numerous other points.

Dont think that because they are buddhists, that they are immune to corruption. They are.

They may be attempting to build larger enclosures, but the temple is built on a foundation of lies and corruption and it will fall."

Cant the cops or authorized organizations take action

16. Posted by wildfk (Respected Member 459 posts) 8y

This is Thailand! no one will take action unless there is an enormous amount of (international) pressure to do so. There has already been an "official" move to close the place but no-one knows what to do with the tigers.....or can give a f****

17. Posted by Carollcad (First Time Poster 1 posts) 3y

It would help a lot if the tefl courses held in Thailand were made aware of what is going on, and stop their tours to the temple. They bring new students in every month, and always have a planned outing to places like tiger temple or elephant salaries.

Quoting wildfk

I found this account of the Tiger Temple; it makes disturbing reading...........

bushchick - "Tiger Temple Kanchanaburi".

"I........... booked my ticket to Thailand and travelled half way across the world to go and live with monks and tigers for four weeks! I have to confess to finding it very difficult to write this without resorting to profanity, sarcasm or overly emotive language. I hope that by getting this onto this and a few other websites I can play some minor part in providing information and hopefully doing something about stopping what is going on in the name of Buddhism and Conservation at this "Sanctuary" for wild animals or at the very least stopping tourists from supporting this. I applied to volunteer at the Tiger Temple because I wanted to be a part of the promised tigers roaming free with Buddhist monks experience having an interest in both wild animals and Buddhism. Although I understood that there was probably an element of marketing speak due to the fund raising slant in the promotion of the Temple and the mysticism of the whole experience, I thought that, due to my research on the Temple website and other pages and blogs my expectations were realistic in terms of how these animals lived and were treated. The animal cruelty and abuse at the Temple was blatant and obvious to me from the minute I arrived. (The first animal I came across was at the Volunteer s House, a young and very distressed female cat who was engorged and in agony with too much milk. Her five 2 week old kittens had been removed from her by Temple staff and we were told - taken to a Cat Temple . I was surprised and upset to come across an animal in such distress as this was not how I would imagine a sanctuary would treat any animal). I arrived mid morning and on my first day one of the other volunteers who d been there for a few weeks took me around to show me the captive animals. (There is also a large number of farm type animals goats, cows, horses, chickens - and water buffalo, deer, wild boar and peacocks roaming around the Temple grounds.) The first cage I came across was a large chicken wire cage under a tree with a hawk in it. The bird apparently had a broken wing. It is never released from the cage. Then there was a row of concrete cages with single adult tigers, one with the baby tigers, and at the end of the row (with a large generator placed in front of it so one couldn t really see what was in this dark, dingy dungeon) a leopard who has, apparently, not been let out of the cage since she arrived there 8 years ago. My next visit was to a large, double sized concrete cage almost out of view of all the other cages, where they keep two very young (I would estimate them to be about 6 months old) lion cubs. The cage is bare but for a concrete bowl of water. There is nowhere for them to shelter or hide (they are clearly terrified of humans) and certainly nothing for them to play with no tyres or branches or any sort of toys. We then saw all the other tigers either on their own or with two in a cage. Some of the tigers are never released from their concrete cages. But others, on average 8 tigers a day (usually the same better behaved and better looking tigers not the stroppy ones or those with scars or bloody eyes) are taken into the Canyon to be photographed with tourists. This outing liberates them from their cages for a 10 minute walk on stony gravel to the Canyon, three hours chained by the neck to a ring in the blazing sun, and a 10 minute walk back home to their cages. On their way to and from the canyon the tigers are encouraged to move by being lifted by the base of the tail, shoved and punched. One tiger girl would always walk next to the tiger with a garden hoe in her hand, this she waved in front of the tiger s face or banged on the ground next to it whenever it slowed down or stopped. (The threat was implicit, but the tiger was motivated to move whenever it saw that hoe.) Whilst in the Canyon, the tigers are disciplined with Tiger Balm being rubbed onto their faces, tiger urine being sprayed into their mouths and (surreptitiously, but in full view of tourists) being punched quickly on the face and head. As to whether the animals are drugged or not, I cannot be sure. (Although sedation would surely be the kindest way of helping them get through those long hot hours in the canyon.) The argument against drugging is the expense and, I believe, the difficulty of dosage (meticulously worked out amount of drug to body weight) although local herbs mixed in with their boiled chicken could possibly work. (Some of them were completely unresponsive all the time, even when we visited their cages in the early mornings or in the evenings, and this could possibly imply properly prescribed drugs.) In the Canyon the volunteers are there essentially for crowd control. I felt ashamed at being apparently complicit in the running of this circus - which is really no more than a money making scam where tourists are required to donate B300 to come into a Buddhist Temple (illegal to charge, by the way), and another B1000 for a special photo with a tigers head placed in your lap. This place is operated along the lines of a very badly run zoo with no money - not an animal sanctuary which receives all this money (work it out, an average of 400 people a day and that s on a slow day with, say, very conservatively 50 people paying for photos) from tourists. Much of the money received over the years since the Animal Planet programme has been promoting it (since about 2003, I think) appears to have been (very recently, as in it has just started being built) spent on building a "Buddhist Park Project" which will essentially be an area to accommodate the followers of the Abbot's Teacher when he comes to visit the Temple! The Tiger Island ( for their freedom and return to the forest ) which is apparently the reason we all throw money at the Temple is not yet complete, but seems to be nothing more that an area for tiger cages with a moat built around it so tourists can't actually get at them and see how they live they will still operate the Canyon Photo Circus and, as they will still be hand reared, there is no plan to release tigers back into the wild. Although we could wander around the cages at any time and watch the workers with the tigers, volunteers were now prevented from ever actually being with the tigers (no cleaning of cages, no bathing of babies) and I was only ever really in the same position as the tourists and never able to see how the staff treated the animals when there were no tourists watching them but I feel that the way the tigers cringed away from chains, lengths of hose pipe, the garden hoe and some of the male staff members, that there was certainly discipline metered out behind closed doors . In the morning the baby tigers are brought to the temple where we have breakfast and are allowed to roam around with the monks, staff and volunteers. Every time a cub came anywhere near one of the volunteers, a staff member would yank it away, the babies (four of them are really little, 2 months old and one quite boisterous 5 month old he was tied to a pillar) were pulled around by one leg or held back by the tail, slapped so they skidded across the wooden floor boards, thrown up into the air, their faces held and noses punched, pinched and flicked, they were continuously mauled, teased and tormented. I have to admit that I couldn t stand it for very long and my planned 4 week stay lasted a mere 4 days. There is a flagrant lack of respect and compassion and certainly no love for these tigers. And this lack of feeling clearly gets worse as the animals get older and bigger and stronger. Essentially, the animal welfare laws in South East Asia are not stringent enough to close down this establishment due to the cruelty and abuse that is metered out there (along with the illegal breeding - one tigress is kept with the sole purpose of producing cubs - which are removed from her almost immediately after birth and reared by humans). All we can do in the short term is spread the word to stop tourists from supporting this place. Please boycott the Tiger Temple and report what you have seen to animal welfare organisations like Care for the Wild www.careforthewild.com "

would you still go there???

18. Posted by wildfk (Respected Member 459 posts) 3y

TEFL? Why would they go to the temple? What part of an EL course would the temple help with...unless it was a essay on abuses of animals.

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