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11. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Countries like Iran dont have the technology to create sophisticated enough weapons to create a third world war.

Just how sophisticated does a suitcase sized thermo-nuclear weapon have to be? Does it have to be sophisticated enough to vaporize 1000 people? 100,000? Iran is fully capable of such "high technology". Are they sane enough to not sell several kilos of fissionable material to some right-wing fundamentalist? At the moment, the Western world seems to think they might just do that.

Can you imagine, what with worldwide response to the Twin Towers attack, that if some suicide bomber had the means to liquify central London, or New York, or Berlin, or Madrid, or Paris that the entire planet wouldn't retaliate simply out of fear? Iran would be turned to rubble before the United Nations had a chance to argue about what time to have lunch.

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

The West is rich enough to be"right", but if there is a third world war everybody will lose eventually.
We will live with aftermath of an attempt to wipe out an entire culture for centuries after the the war is over and won.
The current situation in Isreal which is causing much of the world tension, which could trigger a world war is the result of an attempt to wipe out a culture and its people.

We must aim to peacefully difuse world tension. Continue to offer Iran tempting trading opportunities with the West, in return for closing the nuclear bomb development. It worked in N. Korea.

As for the twin towers, how would it be in Ireland, if the British saw reason to attack Ireland, because the IRA could blow up a pub or a train station in England any time. We certainly would not have achieved the peace we now have in Ireland, if we did not find a peaceful way to disarm the IRA.

Mel

13. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

First off,

Iran is not creating nuclear weapons. Iran is a sovereign state that has as much right as any other sovereign state to develop and harness nuclear power. The western media is fear mongering, by having people believe that Iran is building an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

Secondly,

Iran is not going to be turned into rubble. Powers in the west want the government of Iran to be open and liberal with their oil supplies. Tension with Iran didn't start until British & US oil companies were kicked out. The entire "fecal-matter" show is about the global domination of oil supply by western powers. We can't run our affluent life styles off the wind no matter how badly you want to believe that.

Thirdly,

The only role that religion has in this conflict is in that the current powers (as have all powers) are starting to use religion as their justification. Of course they are only using it with the people that will listen. The powers use any and all means to keep, and get more, power. To the religious they spin the idea of "barbarians", "evil", "sinful". To the analytical they spin the idea of "economic strength", "stability", "growth". To the idealists they spin "freedom", "democracy", "peace through war". They are playing all of the angles and people hear what they need to hear.

14. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

Iran is not creating nuclear weapons.

They are trying to.
The nuclear inspectors who inspect all nuclear weapons around the world, reported that Iran is not making much progress with theirs. They just dont have the technology needed. They have also made a number of other inferior weapons. Nothing so far, that makes Iran a threat to any Western countries.

[ Edit: Edited on Sep 19, 2007, at 12:09 AM by Mel. ]

15. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

They are trying to.

What's your source? I just haven't read or heard that anywhere and would like to see that. If the UN inspectors put out a report then I would believe it - I haven't heard of that yet though.

16. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

I will look for a blog, and post here, when I find it Brendan.;)

17. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 9y

Rant for the day

Quoting beerman

Quoting Mel.

Countries like Iran dont have the technology to create sophisticated enough weapons to create a third world war.

Just how sophisticated does a suitcase sized thermo-nuclear weapon have to be?

Can you imagine, what with worldwide response to the Twin Towers attack, that if some suicide bomber had the means to liquify central London, or New York, or Berlin, or Madrid, or Paris that the entire planet wouldn't retaliate simply out of fear? Iran would be turned to rubble before the United Nations had a chance to argue about what time to have lunch.

OK, well a thermonuclear device is actually quite sophisticated, heavy and larger than a suitcase - so no chance of bringing that one in on a flight (maybe a truck or shipping container though). But a 'dirty' bomb can be made the size of a small case, this has the potential to render an area uninhabitable for 50years +. The reaction to this by a victim nation? Pest eradication I'd think.

In realistic terms, Iran is no more a threat to the world than Israel, India or Pakistan (all possess the 'bomb') it just happens to have Oil & Gas reserves and a government that certain countries don't agree with. There are worse threats to the world than one country, look at the killing that go on within most countries (the death toll is a hell of a lot higher than any outside threat), the climate (deserts are growing at an alarming rate & water tables are lowering, forests are shrinking, sea levels are getting higher, salt tables are getting higher, world population is expanding at an alarming rate, arable land is reducing by the size of the UK every year, storm force increases to mention a few), economic (globalisation, aging populations, greater wealth divide, employment reliant on stock market performance).

The need to sort out our own living conditions I think is a greater need than interfering in someone else's internal affairs, by all means monitor the nuclear development but Iran as a global threat? I very much doubt it, maybe a threat to the middle east but not the greater world. Only one nation on this planet has ever used nuclear weapons in anger, it was the right decision and one that was not taken lightly and saved millions of lives (though ended thousands), this does not give the US the right to be the 'daddy' and tell others what they can or can't do.

The Roman Empire has not existed for 1500 years and the British Empire ended 60 years ago, the world does not need another Empire, let alone one that is driven by large corporations looking to make a fast dollar.

"Charity begins at home" is the saying, and this applies to everything else - if your own back yard isn't sorted, how the hell can you sort someone else's?

[ Edit: Edited on Sep 19, 2007, at 12:26 AM by Jase007 ]

18. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Brendan, it was done by a UN sanctioned committee.
Try looking on their website.
I dont know right now, where to find a news blog, about it. ;)

19. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 9y

Quoting Brendan

The theory is (how ever crack-pot it may sound) that the current U.S. government will orchestrate a false-flag operation using the nuclear weapon on it's own soil. Preferably on a high profile target. This would give open reigns to any leader after this administration for open warfare against anyone it wants.

Thoughts?

Absobloodylootly
If those scheming Poles hadn,t attacked the radio station at Gleiwitz in Germany on the night of August 31st 1939 with concentration camp inmates, Schickelgruber would never have invaded Poland.
What a load of gonads
Stop smoking conspiracy weed

20. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Wotthefigh
That is an interesting user name u have.
Where did u get it?