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11. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Herr Bert,

excuse my postings over and over but everything you said, I have not translated yet into a map, into distances, nor what to do in those locations. I am planning on going over the books I bought from a local bookstore to understand things better. Is Alhambra a day trip? Not necessarily a place to stay.

What I was thinking of doing is maybe fly into Madrid and then drive to Seville and then use Seville as my base and to fly out of. Essentially, I can take the rental car and drive to and from the places you have suggested.

If Alhambra is a day trip, there is no need to stay there. Perhaps you can recommend the definate places to stay. The most I will drive to a location is probably at 2 hours. Unless the place I'm going to is a place I will be staying at.

Regarding renting a car, I plan to not really drive around the city. Just a car available to drive to the other locations (alhambra, etc.) and come back to Seville in the evening or to get from one city to another and turn the car in till we depart.

Let me know your input.

12. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I that case, forget about renting a car. The sheer distance Between Madrid and Sevilla will not make it possible to make these connections under or around 2 hours. For Sevilla - Granada, I think you need at least 3 hours. But trains and one budgetflight will do fine.

The Alhambra (in Granada) is not a daytrip from Madrid or Sevilla! Besides the Alhambra, there are other beautiful sites to see in Granada. At least make it a stay of one whole day. I would choose to arrive in the late afternoon have a nice evening a nice dinner and good night, wake up early and go to see the Alhambra and the rest of Historical Granada, and leave the day after. I think Madrid - Granada - Sevilla would be the way to go. (or go Sevilla - Granada - Madrid). If you have an early flight into Madrid, you could go to the south one day earlier (for an extra night in Sevilla.)

The initerary I put in my first post, is almost identical to one I used myself, I only added Jerez de la Frontera (after Sevilla) stayed one night longer in Sevilla, and returned to Madrid for a few extra days, as my best friend lives in Madrid.)

13. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

The initerary I put in my first post, is almost identical to one I used myself, I only added Jerez de la Frontera (after Sevilla) stayed one night longer in Sevilla, and returned to Madrid for a few extra days, as my best friend lives in Madrid.)

Did you find this to be rushed?

14. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

We are now narrowing our findings with Spain. Thank you very much Herr Bert, if you can bare with us a little longer, it would be greatly be appreciated.

Here is the situation at the moment. My wife has expressed that she doesn't want to venture around all over the place and that we should just fly into Seville and stay a couple days there and then go to Alhambra and stay a couple nights there as well. From there we can make day trips around. Will Seville or Alhambra be a good place to stay. We essentially want to see Seville and then see Alhambra and stay there a night or two and then soak in the surrounding areas (where we don't know details yet). However, it's at least two locations has been settled (for the time being).

Herr Bert, of course, if you feel Madrid is a place that we should definately not miss, please let me know. I asked a couple friends that have gone to Madrid and they would forego Madrid altogether if hey had to do it again to spend more time in Alhambra or anywhere else in the South.

Please let me know.

15. Posted by KineAgathe (Full Member 21 posts) 9y

Personally I love Madrid and think you should defenatly go there!
You should visit the Reina Sofia museum where Gernica by Picasso is.
Its not as famous as Prado, but very nice.

You could take the train from Madrid to Granada for about 60 euros instead of renting a car...
www.renfe.es It takes about 4 1/2 hours.

I will never forget Alhambra in Granda. I spendt 6 hours walking around there ;)
Granada it self is beautiful aswell. Spendt 2 days there.

I just spendt one day in Sevilla, and went to see the cathedral.
Never felt as small as I did when I walked around in there.
I found a parking place with no problem, but you have to pay.
No problem driving in Granada og Sevilla, but I would not recommend driving in Madrid.

I havent been to Cordoba, but its on my list of places to go so if you have the time
you should try to go there aswell.

16. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Seville, Alhambra, and Cordoba are the places we expect to venture with at least 2 days at each location, perhaps 1.5 to say the least.

Three locations to soak in the area. The reason we want to drive, at least from our initial plan (Madrid > Seville, Seville > Alhambra, etc.) is so that we can see the country as well. Stop at different towns on the way and so forth.

If you are saying that Madrid takes 4.5 hours by train, that means by car it must take a lot longer?

In addition, the car use is really to traverse between town/town city/city. If possible, yes, we'll use it in the town as well but we don't really plan to but take local transportation.

Either way, isn't it a worthy scenic drive? If Madrid is really that long, forget it. As I have stated, 2.5 hours is max of what I'm willing to rent the car for to travel from one place to another.

If you can suggest from what place to what place to rent a car, it would be great!

17. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I didn't felt that the trip I made was rushed. But I took advantage of two national flights, so I got Granada from Madrid and back to Madrid from Jerez, very easy and fast. But if you feel it is too rushed for you guys, than take it easy and leave out Madrid. I tend to be out on the streets for long times, when I travel. Also I did presume that flying intercontnental to Spain, it would be easier to land in either Madrid or Barcelona.

The Alhambra is in Granada, and you will not have problems to find things to see. The Old Moorish quarter (Albaysin) is very nice to see. And there are some great views towards the Alhambra, from this part of town as well. The Cathedral is nice, and so are a couple of the squares in the inner city.

Cordoba is nice, but besides the Mezquita and the Jewish part of town there is not so much to see. You can do this as a daytrip from Sevilla if you want. The AVE (the fast trainconnection to Madrid) also stops in Cordoba, and takes you there in 45 minutes !! But take enough time to buy you tickets in Sevilla (or maybe better sort it out, a day before).

What you could do when you want to drive in Spain, is to rent a car and to make a trip to one of Pueblos Blancos. Arcos de la Frontera and Grazalema aren't that far from Sevilla. Other options would be to go to Cadiz and/or Jerez de la Frontera. (If you or your wife like sherry, you could pre-book a tour at one of the bodegas)

Although I love Madrid, I think you will find enough to see and do in Sevilla and Granada. But do go to Spain on another trip to see Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona, San Sebastian etc etc.

18. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

Quoting nutsnbolts

Seville, Alhambra, and Cordoba are the places we expect to venture with at least 2 days at each location, perhaps 1.5 to say the least.

Three locations to soak in the area. The reason we want to drive, at least from our initial plan (Madrid > Seville, Seville > Alhambra, etc.) is so that we can see the country as well. Stop at different towns on the way and so forth.

If you are saying that Madrid takes 4.5 hours by train, that means by car it must take a lot longer?

In addition, the car use is really to traverse between town/town city/city. If possible, yes, we'll use it in the town as well but we don't really plan to but take local transportation.

Either way, isn't it a worthy scenic drive? If Madrid is really that long, forget it. As I have stated, 2.5 hours is max of what I'm willing to rent the car for to travel from one place to another.

If you can suggest from what place to what place to rent a car, it would be great!

Madrid - Granada by car can be done in about 4 and half hour (coffeebreaks not included) and Madrid - Sevilla is 5 and a half hour, so forget about that. For longer distances my advise would be to use the trains in Spain, they are cheap and get you from one place to another without much problems.

19. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Quoting Herr Bert

I didn't felt that the trip I made was rushed. But I took advantage of two national flights, so I got Granada from Madrid and back to Madrid from Jerez, very easy and fast. But if you feel it is too rushed for you guys, than take it easy and leave out Madrid. I tend to be out on the streets for long times, when I travel. Also I did presume that flying intercontnental to Spain, it would be easier to land in either Madrid or Barcelona.

The Alhambra is in Granada, and you will not have problems to find things to see. The Old Moorish quarter (Albaysin) is very nice to see. And there are some great views towards the Alhambra, from this part of town as well. The Cathedral is nice, and so are a couple of the squares in the inner city.

Cordoba is nice, but besides the Mezquita and the Jewish part of town there is not so much to see. You can do this as a daytrip from Sevilla if you want. The AVE (the fast trainconnection to Madrid) also stops in Cordoba, and takes you there in 45 minutes !! But take enough time to buy you tickets in Sevilla (or maybe better sort it out, a day before).

What you could do when you want to drive in Spain, is to rent a car and to make a trip to one of Pueblos Blancos. Arcos de la Frontera and Grazalema aren't that far from Sevilla. Other options would be to go to Cadiz and/or Jerez de la Frontera. (If you or your wife like sherry, you could pre-book a tour at one of the bodegas)

Although I love Madrid, I think you will find enough to see and do in Sevilla and Granada. But do go to Spain on another trip to see Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona, San Sebastian etc etc.

Herr Bert:

We plan to come back. I actually hate it that we won't spend time in Toledo and Barcelona or any other parts of Spain and the 7 days doesn't actually help out the situation. If I had it my way, I would fly into Madrid and then fly into Seville and then do what we stated we'd do.

However, this is not set in stone which in essence can still happen. The thing that my wife stated to me is that taking a plane from Madrid and then flying to Seville, how long is that entire process. 3 hours? 4 hours? total in the airport and back into a hotel or accomodation in Seville?

How is the local flights? Fast or a half day event? Here in the US, it can take half to a full day to traverse to a city and it's essentially taking 1 day out of the 7 days to just do. Actually 2 days to get back to fly out.

Let me know the airport local flights, I may yet try to convince her for Madrid at least for a couple days.

20. Posted by KineAgathe (Full Member 21 posts) 9y

I just checked flight prices for you with iberia.
It will take you just one hour with plane from Madrid to Sevilla and the price is about 70 euros per person
http://www.iberia.com/OneToOne/v3/home.do

Here you have a link for car rental =)

https://www.economycarrentals.com/