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21. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I won't fly Madrid - Sevilla, I would rather take the train (AVE: 2,5 hours), it's faster, no hassle to get to the airport etc, and I think it's about 65 or 75 euro. I've you want to include Madrid and Granada, then I would choose to fly to Granada, to prevent that you need to cover the road Sevilla - Granada, and back again.

22. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Quoting KineAgathe

I just checked flight prices for you with iberia.
It will take you just one hour with plane from Madrid to Sevilla and the price is about 70 euros per person
http://www.iberia.com/OneToOne/v3/home.do

Here you have a link for car rental =)

https://www.economycarrentals.com/

KineAgathe! Thanks for the links. Very helpful.

As Herr Bert noted, it may take longer to take a flight, airport procedures + flight time + airport procedures again will probably be like 3 hours or so?

By train will probably be 2 hours tops?

Am I correct in stating this?

Considering that you both are suggesting Madrid, I will communicate this back to my wife and see if we can do the following:

  • Fly into Madrid
  • Fly to Alhambra
  • Train to Seville
  • Car to surrounding areas.
  • Fly home from Seville

Does this sound right?

I'm not sure how the days are going to work out yet.

23. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

As Herr Bert noted, it may take longer to take a flight, airport procedures + flight time + airport procedures again will probably be like 3 hours or so?

By train will probably be 2 hours tops?

Am I correct in stating this?

If you want to take the train to Sevilla, it will take 2,5 hours. A flight will most likely take about 3 hours, but you also have to calculate that it will take about 1 hours to get from the Center of Madrid, to Barajas. The good thing is, that earlier this year, the Metrostation at Terminal 4/4S (the Iberia-terminal) opened. So in total it would be a little over 4 hours. I don't know how the airport in Sevilla is located, but you would need to reserve some time for a transfer to the city.

If you would fly to Granada (or like you say: Alhambra), then the airport is a few miles outside of the city, but after each incoming flight, there is a bus waiting outside of the airport (go right, when you picked up you lugage, and exit the building) You can buy a ticket from the driver (If I remember correctly it was 3 euro), and you will get to Granada in about 20-30 minutes. In a lot of travelbooks it is stated, these busses go directely to the busstation, but I found, that they make about 6-7 stops in the city center. If you tell the driver where you need to get out, he will tell you.

The initerary, you have now, is pretty much the same as I posted in my first post, but without Toledo.

Oh I forget to mention that very near to Sevilla, you can go to the Roman excavations at 'Italica', at Santiponce. (if it interests you.)

24. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Hey Herr Bert!

Do you happen to have your itinerary with you that you can possibly post here? As detailed as possible. I want to essentially see your itinerary and overlay it to what I "think" would work. Depending on your itinerary time schedule, it may help me understand the lengths of times between each city and how much time I have to allocate everything.

I will take a look at the other suggestions that you recommended.

25. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

I will but I have to run now (something called work :( ) But I will post it soon.

26. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Thanks, let me know as soon as you can. We haven't booked our tickets yet. We're still on the fence, researching whether we should include Madrid or not.

27. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

You have to know that I spend a couple of days in Madrid every year, so I have seen most of the touristic sites, and done the daytrips to Toledo, Segovia and Aranjuez already.

My initerary for the trip that included Sevilla and Granada:

Saturday: Fly from Düsseldorf to Madrid, as the plane left at 8.00. I was at Barajas airport at 10.30. After picking up the luggage, I took the Metro to the city center to meet up with my friend at Tirso de Molina. (She lives near to there). Just before 12.00 I arrived at Tirso, and we went to drop of my stuff at her house. After spending some time to talk, we decided to go for Churros, and to do some shopping. The rest of the evening we spend to cook and have a dinner, and to talk until late.

Sunday: I spend the early hours to repack, as I want to leave one suitcase in Madrid, and to travel with the other for the rest of the week. After that we had a breakfast, and spend time to roam El Rastro, which was nice, but most part of it is really commercial and is just like any other market. But some parts are really fun, as it is really a flea-market. We spend the last hours in Madrid having a lovely Indian lunch at the Calle de Lavapies. Around 4 p.m. I left said goodbye, and left Madrid and went to the Airport, as I had to catch the flight to Granada. (I had calculated extra time to take the bus between Terminal 2 and 4, but could get there by Metro). After a turbulent flight I landed in Granada, and took the bus to the center. After a short but late siesta, I went to see the town. It turned out there was a procession so I watched that for a while. I had an early night.

Monday: I got up around 7.00 and made a fast breakfast, and left the hostel and walked to the Alhambra. When I got there at 7.45 there was already a long line to get tickets. (only a part of the tickets is sold via internet) After waiting in line for 1,5 hours I got my tickets to the Alhambra, all in all I spend about 4 hours to see everything, and to make a 100+ photos. Took a siesta, and spend the rest of the day to see the Albaysin neighborhood and some other sites in the city. Had a lovely dinner in the evening at the square opposite the Alhambra (not the plaza Nuevo, but the one a little further north).

Tuesday: Didn’t bother to get up very early, as I had the train to catch at 11:30. I had a long breakfast and to talked with the other travellers in the hostel. I had time enough and decided to walk to the station so I had a last glimpse of Granada. The trainride to Sevilla took 3 hours. After finding the hostel and a siesta. I decided to go for a walk on the town, so I had seen most of the buildings from the outside when I found out it was already getting very late.

Wednesday: I went to visit the Alcazar in the morning, and because the hostel had an own kitchen that could be used by the guests, I decided to go shopping and to make my own lunch. After that I wanted to make my trip to the Basaliaue the Macarena, but decided against it, as looked like it would start to rain soon (and it would rain!!! A lot!) As I was in the shopping area, I spend my time looking for Spanish bands in the FNAC. and returned to the hostel to enjoy the evening there.

Thursday: I started with a walk north to a fleamarket that is held there every Thursday, but because I was traveling light, I didn’t buy anything, but continued my walk to find the Basalique de Macarena. After seeing the curch of Macarena first, and wondering where all the fuss was about, I walk to the other side of the building, and saw the entrance to the Basilique. When you enter you are stunned by the beautiful art decorations, and of course the Madonna. I took a walk along the river, from the bridge leading up to the Isla Magica until I was back at the center, and went to visit the Cathedral, and enjoyed the views from the old tower. In the evening a large group from the hostel went on a tapastour, and to see a flamencoshow, so I joined the group.

Friday: I left Sevilla on Friday morning, for my trip to Jerez de la Frontera. As it took quite some time to get a trainticket (I found out after while I was waiting in the wrong line) I could finaly go to Jerez arriving there in the afternoon. I make a little tour to find my hotel (in other words: I got lost agian, as it should be only 10 minutes). I took a siesta, and made a small trip to the center, but found that there was not a lot to see. I went to see the Cathedral, but after the Cathedral in Sevilla, this one, didn’t seem to impress me at all. I decided for an early night.

Saturday: After breakfast and checking out. I decided to visit the Alcazar, and although small, it is for most part how the building should have been centuries ago. The big disappointment was that the Camera Obscura that is installed at the tower of the Alcazar wasn’t working on that day, as it was too clouded. After another stroll through the city center, I went back to the hotel to reclaim my suitcase, that I left there, and went to the busstation to take the bus to the Airport. The trip to Madrid (with Vueling) was smooth and I landed in the late afternoon. In Madrid I re-united with my friend, and we spend the rest of the evening going out for a nice dinner and a lot of talking.

Sunday: Accidentely I was the day of the general elections in Spain, so my friend has promised to take her grandma to the polling station. As the Reina Sofia is free on Sunday I decided to go there, as on former visits we always went there much too late to see anything properly. I returned to her house, and after packing, so that everything was ready to leave early the day after. We spend the rest of the day in the bars of La Latina and Lavapies until we ended up eating African Patatoes in my favourite bar in Lavapies. We’re all drunk, and I think I must have slept rightaway.

Monday: got up pretty early (too early) to say goodbye to my friend, and took the metro to the airport to return to Dusseldorf.

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29. Posted by nutsnbolts (Respected Member 155 posts) 9y

Yes, I would love to see Barcelona! Unfortunately, it's in the opposite end of the country. I wonder if it's possible to do Barcelona and then fly from Barcelona to Seville. I know I know, this is somewhat changing the plans. I will look over Herr Bert's itinerary. Thank you very much for that. I will let you know what next hurdle I need to overcome. For the time being, I think I need to sit down and digest everything. I have till Friday to finalize my bookings.

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 4, 2007, at 5:39 AM by nutsnbolts ]

30. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 9y

If you want to replace Madrid with Barcelona, then that is possible: There are a couple of flight to both Granada and Sevilla. So you could fly Barcelona - Granada (train to Sevilla) and back to Barcelona if you need to, or fly out of Sevilla.