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31. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 8y

Quoting Erik85

I work in a supermarket on a casual basis and this would be extremely annoying, lol.

That's a very good point actually!

Everyone's all like "Yeah! Sock it to the man!" But it's college students trying to make a bit of pocket money who have to tidy it up

32. Posted by cplford (Budding Member 98 posts) 8y

Who is to blame for the obesity epidemic?

The answer is simple - people who eat too much!

Don't try to apportion blame to anyone else. We all make choices in life - if we choose to eat too much of the wrong foods, the blame is ours. You cannot leglislate to protect people from their own stupidity.

33. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting Erik85

Quoting james

When my kids grab junk food from the shelves I simply take it from their hands and drop it on the floor off the shop. Store workers have often had words to me about this, but I simply tell them that if they think it's okay to deliberately put junk food within reach of a 3 year old then I think it's okay to take it from them and drop it on the floor. Don't want it on the floor? Don't put it there.

I work in a supermarket on a casual basis and this would be extremely annoying, lol.
The chain of comunication within such large organisations heavily top-down. I don't think annoying the typical casual shop filler will do much to solve the issue, but rather from make them resent customers more, make their work more frustrating and make it dangerous for other customers by leaving things on the floor! It'd be better to support lobbyist groups in this area, communicate to high levels of management, or boycott the store/company.

I can't speak for other stores/companies, but I don't necessarily find that junk foods targeting children are down low where I work. I doubt this is a conscious effort as small children aren't the primary people that generate revenue, and a lot of the stuff marketed to these people also appeals to adolescents and teenagers who are taller anyway (eg. about 90% of confectionary aside from things like Kinder surprise, warheads, etc). The items that sell well (often mass-marketed) are the items that are towards the middle of the shelf within easy reach and at eye level. So I guess if it is primarily junk food that is mass marketed then it will be at this level, so through this angle I can see what you're saying. If popular items are out of reach then older people and people with disabilities may complain.

Not trying to be an ass but I guess I'm just saying that there's different perspectives and we all have to work together to find a solution. I DO strongly agree however that junk food shouldn't be marketed to children. I think adults have a lot to account for as well, as the prevalence of obesity is higher in them and they set an example for our children.

You make some good points.

However some supermarkets are introducing "confectionary-free" checkouts. So perhaps the "pester power problem" really is an issue, and perhaps the flow of communication has travelled upwards at times.

It's funny how supermarkets by law have to stock cigarettes (which can legally be purchased by adults only), behind a counter, and that you can't simply take them off the shelf and put them in your trolley. Says a lot really.

34. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting mikeyBoab

Quoting Erik85

I work in a supermarket on a casual basis and this would be extremely annoying, lol.

That's a very good point actually!

Everyone's all like "Yeah! Sock it to the man!" But it's college students trying to make a bit of pocket money who have to tidy it up

Well, perhaps the diligent business student could have a few words in the ear of management, and pass on some of the realities of the shop floor.

35. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

I think people who are over 18 should be free to buy any junk food they want as long as it is properly labled with exactly what is in it.
I sure would not be pleased if I went out to buy my New Years party food only to discover that it is not available because it is now illegal.
Put it on the high shelves with the porn mags, not the shelves where toddlers have ready access to it.

[ Edit: Edited on Nov 22, 2007, at 2:07 AM by Mel. ]

36. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Just to muddle the subject even further, how are we as a society going to handle the health-care costs of an obesity epidemic? Our health-care system is strained enough as it is over here, and the thought of thousands and thousands of people adding their weight to the problem is frustrating, to say the least. Everyone has the universal right to health-care, but what if you did nothing to prevent your illness? Should you be held personally responsible for your health-care costs? My boss keeps admonishing us to "stay healthy!" because we don't know what the future holds for health care and whether or not we, as a country, will be able to keep up with the costs.

It's a slippery slope question, but I truly think people need to be responsible for themselves. Should that responsibility extend to paying the financial consequences of their obesity, too?

37. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting tway

It's a slippery slope question, but I truly think people need to be responsible for themselves. Should that responsibility extend to paying the financial consequences of their obesity, too?

Should smokers also pay for themselves and people who expose themselves to radiation by going on aeroplanes and people who drive too fast and people who dont suplement their diets with high quality minerals to combat mineral deficiency in food caused by Nitrate fertilizers and people who travel thus increasing their exposure to diseases like malaria.....?
If the obese have to pay for their medical bills because they are careless with their health shouldnt others who take health risks have to do the same? And what happens if the obese cant pay? Do we let them die? I dont think we should discriminate against overweight people like this.

Personally I think many people over rely on the health care system and that makes it very expensive. People should only go to doctors and take drugs as a last resort. ie if their bodies are not healthy enough to fight the infection without help. I think people even rely on homeopathic medicine too heavily.

[ Edit: Edited on Nov 22, 2007, at 7:23 AM by Mel. ]

38. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 8y

I don't know if it's still the case, but when I was a kid in China (the same is true in Korea, and Japan) companies and schools are mandated to march everyone out into the yard daily and make them exercise for 15min. It's not a lot, but I think the health care system (at least in Canada and most of the western countries I'm familiar with) should smarten up and be more pro-active in keeping people healthy rather than just paying for when they need their parts changed out.

It's easier to be fat and lazy than it is to be fit and healthy. It's simple thermodynamics and an unbreakable law of the universe. I'm of too minds about discriminating against the obest. On one hand peer pressure can be applied to eat healthy and be active and keep everyone at a healthy level, but too much of it can do a lot of harm. As with anything it's about facing up to reality and establishing a balance. I personally don't want to blame anything because then the tendency is to remove whatever thing we blame. Removal of anything I don't think is the solution. It's more a case of fixing and re-establishing an equilibrium.

39. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Put it on the high shelves with the porn mags, not the shelves where toddlers have ready access to it.

And they should legalize marijuana and put it on the same shelf.;)

[ Edit: Edited on Nov 22, 2007, at 10:01 AM by Mel. ]

40. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

It's a slippery slope question, but I truly think people need to be responsible for themselves. Should that responsibility extend to paying the financial consequences of their obesity, too?

Should smokers also pay for themselves and people who expose themselves to radiation by going on aeroplanes and people who drive too fast and people who dont suplement their diets with high quality minerals to combat mineral deficiency in food caused by Nitrate fertilizers and people who travel thus increasing their exposure to diseases like malaria.....?

Told you it was a slippery slope! But health-care systems can obly absorb so much before they implode.