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11. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting oldLPuser

Hello - defector over here. I'm one of the disgruntled LP users.

Wow, I just did a reverse ip check factored in with some super zooming in on Google maps and this is Tony Wheeler himself! Thanks for stopping by

"I actually liked the fact at LP that the threads were sorted by when they were started."
That was the default. Before the 'upgrade', you were able to change this to 'last reply'

"What absoluty sucked was that it was so hard to find threads you had replied to again, which is IMO the reason the feature "most recently replied to goes top" was requested by users and thus implemented."
Nope, that's what the very missed 'Today' page did. It had links of the top 20 or so threads that you recently replied to.

"One thing I see a lot of people are missing is the 'today' function. How did that work? We might just have to implement that here on Travellerspoint as it seems to be useful and well liked ;)"
read above

We've had that discussion here a few times too so it's indeed a tricky one to decide on. But it sounds to me like the old system made a lot of sense considering their size (ie. newest postings hit the top) and for more seasoned users there was the 'today' feature to track existing threads they had posted in. On the other hand, what they do now is more 'normal', so likely to be understood right off the bat by more users. I'm of course also happy to see that we already have the 'today' feature here on Travellerspoint :) If you select the forum template when you customize your home page, the third block down has your 10 latest posts, with those having received a reply since your activity being bold. There's also a link there to check your last 50 if you are really in the mood for back tracking. Of course if you don't want to use the forum template (personally a big fan of the photography one) you can just add this by clicking on the Add Content link at the top of your home page. It's the 'My Latest Forum Entries' box that you want to add. As always, you can drag these boxes around the page to where you prefer them.

Quoting oldLPuser

Hold on to that beer Sam I Am, I'm still hoping that LP will clean up its act and tidy up these mistakes.

No worries Tony, I'm sure they'll do their best to keep you there On a more serious note, it sounds like the today function is something that should be reinstated pretty quickly and that wouldn't appear hard to do if it was done 'once upon a time'. I doubt you'll have any luck with the right hand column, but if I was them I'd cut down on the left hand columns a little to make the content stretch further. Slightly less 'pretty' perhaps, but definitely more functional. I should point out that from a web design point of view I usually look up to LP as one of the best.

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Sam I Am

Wow, I just did a reverse ip check factored in with some super zooming in on Google maps and this is Tony Wheeler himself! Thanks for stopping by

Woohoo!!!!! Thumbs up for identifying him Sam
Tony, now that u are a member of TP I hope u will virutally sign my copy of your book.
I am planning to get a copy of it in the next English speaking country I go to.:)

13. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

Peter:

I don't have a problem with new layouts, styles etc providing they are improving, or at least not degrading the info. A facelift with things moved around might be annoying for a bit, but you get used to it. Yes, a new design takes getting used, and i'm happy to give things time, but in this case they have seemingly removed more features then they have added.

Some of the things that seem to have annoyed people are fairly trivial, though mean things to some people - post counts have been drastically reduced (for example, my count is now 200 odd, it was a bit over 2000 before). I also now appear to live in the Seychelles, which is certainly news to me...

Other things are more frustrating - the last reply/OP appearing at the top is an interesting one, but I'm inclined to prefer the solution they had before where you could choose which you wanted. If i had to only have one, i would go with most recent OPs at the top. You can, after all subscribe to threads you want to keep track on, or use the Today option. Or you could. Whereas some of the branches are very busy, and a new OP can be buried in (literally) minutes because long running more popular threads were constantly being replied to.

Not having post numbers is daft (so you can't refer to a comment in post #7 for example), whilst the editing tool has been added without an obvious cap unlike you clever guys (I can go and edit a post i made a year ago, for example, which then means the thread makes no sense). Quoting has, i agree, got much better. Linking though seems worse.

The search function which had been greatly improved in recent months has taken a big step back because it isn't now possible to order things in different ways, whilst less obvious things (fonts, colours and size) have all been tweaked slightly, but enough to actually now make my eyes hurt if i look at it for long (and i have very good eyes and can look at screens all day without problem).

Restating the title on every thread in a post, not showing a thread in a reply (only the op) are annoying as well.

The whole look is also just more squashed and less clean now, though that is a personal opinion and may change once i#'ve got used to it a bit.

The ads themselves i don't really have a problem with - they are trying to make money as the first priority, not help travellers. However, they are proportionally very big and intrusive, and the whole right column is taken up and have a fixed minimum legnth. If you have only a short thread or no reply, you are then left with this ridiculous swathe of white space underneath it. ((and also things like the reply to this thread button below the white, not directly below the last post - and yes i know they are also on top))

The Tags are an interesting idea, though having most popular tags for the whole of TT listed at every branch just means that lots of off topic and random tags (at the moment, mostly moaning ones) are listed. If you go to reply to a WOS post now, for example, popular tags include such obvious things as crumpler_bags_almost_killed_me (and many varieties there of), fat_fudgepacking_scouser and twats [they are some of the better ones], all of which have come off the Off topic page.

And the single most crucial thing (though that is probably just teething) is that everything runs and loads much slower. It's currently bad enough here on broadband. I wouldn't like to be on a dodgy dial up connection in an internet cafe in parts of the less developed world trying to find something out or read a reply (as i have done any number of times in the past)

Basically, i want simple, functional, clean and quick loading from a forum/website, especially one I am liable to want to access from the middle of frickin nowhere. TP always has been and still is, TT was but currently isn't

Peter - so now you know. :)
Sam - That's not a fair thing to say to somebody trying to cut down on beer, but as i'll be in Oslo in a week or so, i'll ensure i get enough defectors before then to cover my nights needs!

14. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

Some of the things that seem to have annoyed people are fairly trivial, though mean things to some people - post counts have been drastically reduced (for example, my count is now 200 odd, it was a bit over 2000 before). I also now appear to live in the Seychelles, which is certainly news to me...


I think the wanna be travel gurus on TP should be threatened with that. That would shut them up wouldnt it?

15. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

That's a long list Rich!

Speed would be the main one I'm concerned with actually, and it's kind of interesting to us because they run the same software on their site that we do. We've had speed slowdowns that were totally unrelated to the code but due to the software buggering up (and a few other random reasons). It might be something like that which is causing things to be slower now. But if not, I'd imagine this is highest priority for them. There's tons of research to say that if you even add .5 seconds to a page load time you are going to lose x% of your visitors.

I found that right column to be annoying as well when I resized my screen. I'd make the entire column either drop off the page or only show a tiny bit in the smallest screen resolutions if they absolutely need to keep it. It's one of the main reasons we haven't added a third column to the site and if we did it would probably not be visible at anything less than 900px width. This actually used to be the case on LP, but their advertisers might have complained for being charged but not actually having their ad show in the visible space :)

Some of the things I just don't get why they've removed them. Id's on a post number is pretty basic stuff! Why you'd remove a ton of post count seems rather strange to me. That must be a storage thing related to removing a ton of older threads or something.

It'll be interesting to see what they re-instate. It sounds to me like some of the things would be easy enough to get back!

Sam

16. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 9y

Quoting Gelli

Sam - That's not a fair thing to say to somebody trying to cut down on beer, but as i'll be in Oslo in a week or so, i'll ensure i get enough defectors before then to cover my nights needs!

ps. drop me a pm or sms when this happens - it's high time I get out and have some beers. It's been like nearly a week! :) There's another TP'er in town next Friday too so might even overlap...

17. Posted by ReinierNL (Full Member 207 posts) 9y

I am another disgruntled member of the Thorn Tree Forum. I was shocked to find they could came up with such crap. It's like you've been using Windows XP for years and Microsoft finally promised to release a new OS with better functionality, which they had been working on for quite a while, only to find out you're presented with Windows 3.11.

Quoting Sam I Am

There's a few disgruntled members over there; invite them over! :) I'll buy you a beer for every 'convert', lol.

Sam, I suggest you to get a few barrels of beer! Some 500 have left already in the three days after the implementation of the changes and their number is still growing. The Thorn Tree Refuge has been set up for disgruntled TT-members. The worst thing for TT is that most of the 'refugees' are regulars. If the TT isn't fixed properly soon, they will probably be gone for good.

Quoting Sam I Am

I think the real mistake here is the quite wide right hand column.

Spot on! The column on the right-hand side is far too intrusive for many of the TT-ers. It's especially intrusive when using a low-resolution monitor.

Quoting Sam I Am

One thing I see a lot of people are missing is the 'today' function. How did that work?

It's a good thing you posted a link to the equivalent of the 'Today' function in TP, because I was unable to find it. It actually works better than the one on TT. Perhaps you should make it less hidden?

Quoting Sam I Am

They have a ton of good developers that should be able to pick up some of the most asked for things and implement.

You've got to be kidding. If LP can come up with such a bad design, the developers must be equally rubbish! For instance, the developers have not bothered to test the new TT in other browsers than Internet Explorer, making the forum unusable for certain browsers and annoyingly slow to load. Far too slow for those using a poor internet connection (many of the users indeed log in from the back of beyond, like Richard said). Speed is essential! The use of fonts and widths is particularly inconsistent.
The search function was changed too. Again! To my opinion, it's one of the few things positive about the new TT. On the downside: the search button is now well hidden. Another positive change is the sorting function, which comes in handy when browsing through big branches.

Quoting Gelli

Not having post numbers is daft (so you can't refer to a comment in post #7 for example)

Restating the title on every thread in a post, not showing a thread in a reply (only the op) are annoying as well.

I agree. On big forums such as TT, it is essential to be able to refer to specific posts. Concerning the repeated thread titles on top of every post: many users requested the signature lines to be removed, because they found them to disrupt the flow. The sigs were indeed removed, but the developers placed an even more annoying repeated thread title on top of every reply.
The tags are certainly an interesting idea, though again wrongly implemented. Not just the original poster can assign tags to his/her replies, but every one who replied can. You'll end up with loads of tags, which makes it very hard to sift through old posts. "Good thing" the greatly increased censorship takes care of removing the excess (read: inappropriate) tags. All in all, I think it's fair to say that this is a major downgrade.

[ Edit: Edited on Nov 29, 2007, at 12:04 PM by ReinierNL ]

18. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

The Thorn Tree Refuge has been set up for disgruntled TT-members

And by all accounts, it's very popular as well. The reason i haven't joined is (a) i'm trying to give TT some time to fix things, and to be fair, they are. There is also a list of things they plan to fix in the next week or so, which address allot of the problems (to launch something like that, on such a scale with absolutely no prior testing is inexcusable, but at least they are trying to solve things quickly. Except the right hand side) and (b) you can't browse the TT Refuge if you aren't a member. I HATE being forced to sign up to things before i can see them, and thus never do unless i absolutely have to.

Plus, in fairness, i've barely any free time these days and haven't been more than an infrequent poster on both the TT and TP since maybe May anyhow. Hopefully i'll be back, at least here at TP, more regularly in the near future

[ Edit: Edited on Nov 30, 2007, at 9:31 AM by Gelli ]

19. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 9y

I've just discovered another big annoyance at TT. I don't know whether this was always this way (I don't think so), but you can't search in the individual subforums. I wanted to look up travel by bicycle in Morrocco. All I can do is search all forums. I cannot search for "bike" in the Morrocco branch, nor can I look up "Morrocco" in the "On your bike branch". All I can do is look for Morrocco + bike, which returns all threads that either have the word Morrocco or the word bike in it.

20. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 9y

Found that one annoying as well t-maia.

Another one is the fact that when you post a new thread, it is not automatically considered a question, so as an OP you have to click another time within 15 minutes of the start of your NEW thread to make it a question....
In 99% of the cases that's so stupid: an OP is almost always a question and the ANSWERS are almost always answers, not additional questions. Haven't seen this stupid idea anywhere else on a forum.

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