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1. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5597 posts) 9y

Tunnel Russia - Alaska;)

2. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 9y

ah quite nice. we can go with your 406 michael. Holland- New York overland or so

3. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 9y

brb - off to but land in Alaska for a coffee shop.......

4. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

I call shotgun on the tollbooth concession!! One dollar per axle (and a bottle of HP sauce from those coming from the UK).

5. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

Your a bit late finding that aren't you?!

I could have sworn i posted about it in April when the idea was first announced, but cant find it now. I had several people contacting me asking my opinion, some of which were even published. It is an interesting idea, for sure. Oddly enough, the actual tunnel is technically the easy part. It's the stupendously vast swathes of frozen land on either side which needs to be traversed linked up to the infrastructure that is the problem.

It is feasible, and the logic behind this plan even makes some warped sense. Having said that, the time frame is laughable and if the cost came out as being anything under 5times their estimate, I would be utterly stunned. It is coming up with the money to pay which is the problem, as the funds involved are so vast, and potential returns or even breakeven point are so far in the future as to essentially cause the whole thing to be a financial write off. Even if it could be funded, operating costs would possibly be immense, and security impossible except on basic trust principals, whilst it is likely to have the same problems as the BAM - Finally completed in 2003, after 80 odd years of on off work, through much much easier (though still harsh) conditions - and, indeed, Eurotunnel, in that the cost of using it outweighs the time saving on existing alternatives.

I seriously doubt that such an undertaking will be open in my lifetime, though it is likely that work will have started - in a way, it has - though a complete opening doesn't seem likely until the mid-long term (2100+)

6. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 9y

what a great idea

7. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5597 posts) 9y

Actually, I saw a docu several years ago about this topic, but haven't read anything about it since then. So yes, I was a bit late. ;) But how important is time in relation to such vague topics
I thought it wasn't a serious issue anymore and frankly since then I haven't heard anything again...oh well, it is the same as the bridge between Spain and Morocco: not within 50 years and I hope the last one will never come at all, it just gives a lot of problems in controlling drug traffic etc. etc.

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 4, 2007, at 12:56 AM by Utrecht ]

8. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Damn! There goes the tollbooth concession and the coffee shop...

9. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 9y

It's an idea which comes up periodically, though rarely with the kind of impact that it did that time (the release was in allot of different places, as opposed to obscure or one-offs) and then dissapears from the public view, at least in places not closely involved in the project. that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

.oh well, it is the same as the bridge between Spain and Morocco: not within 50 years and I hope the last one will never come at all

Sorry to disappoint you, that whilst the road bridge idea seems to have fallen, a tunnel is very much on the cards. I give it 25years absolute max before it is open, not 50. Indeed, tenders went out a few years ago and they have been doing experimental drilling for at least 7 or 8 years, and a 1km long test tunnel in Spain has been in existence for over 5years (i've been in it), and there is another one on the Moroccan side.

The two kings announced their commitment to it earlier this year and an official announcement as to the exact route of the rail tunnel, and the start of construction, is due next March. It will also involve a high speed Y shaped railway being built in Morocco, plus an extension link i Spain. From memory, Madrid - Marrakesh is planned to just beat 4hours, though i figure it being closer to 5.

It won't be at the shortest point, due to the depths involved, but will be further out. It will probably only be half the legnth of the Channel tunnel, but will be 4times as deep.

And onto wild schemes, i have even seen a discovery channel documentary into the feasability to a London - New York submerged bridge-tunnel (basically, a moored bridge underwater, though only a maximum of a couple hundred metres down), served by maglev's running in a vacuum for jny times of about 70mins, though that one definitely IS a pipe dream and won't get built. Technologically, it is feasible. Economically, it's daft.

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 4, 2007, at 10:58 AM by Gelli ]

10. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5597 posts) 9y

Man, you really know a lot about this stuff. Thanks for the inside information again

It must be welcoming extra connections in the (relatively near) future for you, or do you have some negative thoughts about it as well?

Although probably less interesting for you as a traveller, I have also seen a docu years ago about the possibility to fly to Sydney (from Europe that is) in about 3 hours, using gravity for example. The plane will go higher and as a person you will experience you are weightless during some time as well. Haven't found anything though on internet after a quick search.