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11. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

Quoting Sander

Utrecht: for buying Lonely Planet books in the Netherlands, nothing beats the Joho company. (Located in Leiden, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Groningen.) They're a non-profit,

I never realized they were non-profit Sander?! I always thought they were owned by Kilroy or their story was similar to Kilroy's (started by a student union, but definitely for profit or at the very least "not-for-profit"-which is the biggest scam of them all). The markup of retailers on LP guides is at least 50% (if you're buying in any kind of decent size), so for those willing to settle for less it definitely looks like there is no minimum that LP enforces. Interesting, most companies do make sure they can't be undercut by too much. Good for buyers though!

12. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 8y

Quoting Sam I Am

Quoting Sander

Utrecht: for buying Lonely Planet books in the Netherlands, nothing beats the Joho company. (Located in Leiden, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Groningen.) They're a non-profit,

I never realized they were non-profit Sander?! I always thought they were owned by Kilroy or their story was similar to Kilroy's (started by a student union, but definitely for profit or at the very least "not-for-profit"-which is the biggest scam of them all).

As far as I know (which isn't very far) they only worked together with Kilroy (but that changed; or at least, the in-house Kilroy travel shops moved out earlier this year). I might be mis-interpreting the non-profit part, though. (As I understand it, "non-profit" and "not-for-profit" is exactly the same, legally.) They're a stichting - "allowed" to make a profit, as long as that profit is used for idealistic or social purposes (as per wikipedia), which sounds about the same as a non-profit (and also the same as say, the Mozilla Foundation; they make lots of money, but it all gets pumped back into developing Mozilla-based software and to various projects for furthering choice and freedom on the internet).)

13. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

I was probably just venting some past experience in that 'not-for-profit' spiel. I know of a few companies that are very profit driven that then start a 'not for profit', take every single dime that comes in and pay it out in huge director fees and sure enough, the 'organization' doesn't make a profit. But the people behind it still make as much as they would otherwise, possibly more. It's an especially popular setup in the travel industry unfortunately

14. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 8y

Youch... I had no idea setups like that were legally possible. Bleh.

15. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Thanks guys.
Didn't know about Joho, but it sounds great!
About Kilroy. They advertise a lot (or at least they did) with cheap tickets. But when I checked what you had to pay for example for a ticket to Australia, they were't even close to being cheap and actually I found much better deals with others, like directly dealing with airlines for example.
Can I pay with Iris vouchers at Joho Sander...;)

16. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 8y

In defence of the LP shop, they do actually

a) Give you free shipping with orders over US$40.
b) Offer regular discounts - at the moment you can enter promo code CJCOUPON10 for a 10% discount (until 31 Dec '07).
c) They always seem to be giving away random freebies, like Crumpler bags or extra books.
d) Offer some unique products that you can't get anywhere else (that I know of) like Pick & Mix, which allows you to only pay for the chapters you want and download them as PDF (limited range for now, because it's new)

17. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

I am now interested in a Brazil LP, not in any LP guide on top of that. So it works out to me more expensive.

Incidentally, Brazil is one of the guides that is available through Pick & Mix. $3 per chapter, so it would cost $60 if you wanted to buy the whole book. But of course, the point is that you probably don't need ALL the chapters, so you could end up paying a LOT less than if you were to buy a printed copy. Something to consider :)

18. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 8y

Yeah, I saw that pick & mix a while ago, and that definitely looks very interesting. I love how they don't put the chapters behind stupid restrictive DRM, but instead trust that if they treat their customers fairly, their customers will treat them fairly in turn. I will probably investigate using that for getting the Santiago and Easter Island chapters so I won't have to carry around to entire Chile & Easter Island LP.
(Except that right now I see the first page of their checkout process has a broken lock icon due to containing unencrypted content, which yeah, makes me very much not want to transmit any private information to them at all.) :(

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 13, 2007, at 2:33 PM by Sander ]

19. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Pick&Mix could be an option and I think it's a great initiative
But, and maybe I am unique in this one, I like to have a whole guidebook and read about other parts of a country as well, even if I don't go to those parts. It just looks good to have a whole bunch of LP guidebooks in my room

20. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting Peter

Offer some unique products that you can't get anywhere else (that I know of) like Pick & Mix, which allows you to only pay for the chapters you want and download them as PDF (limited range for now, because it's new)

That is an excellent idea.:)
I used to wonder why they dont sell sections of the books that can be downloaded from the internet.

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 14, 2007, at 12:47 AM by Mel. ]