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11. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

If you smoke then you simply don't care for your health, and therefore can't really call on the public health care system to sort you out when you become sick.

This is particularly true of those smokers who "enjoy it, and could give up at anytime".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/473673.stm

12. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting opospa

Cant you take the coffee out to drink? Just like mamak stalls here.

I dont think the Dutch coffee shops actually keep any coffee in stock.
They will be sorry one day when somebody orders some.

13. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 8y

Quoting opospa

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Mel.

I think Utrecht invented it and this is SPAM.

Damn...caught
You know, in the Netherlands they wanted coffeeshops to be free of smoke as well.... Imagine that, now you really need to drink coffee

Cant you take the coffee out to drink? Just like mamak stalls here.

Dutch coffeeshops sell marijuana joints. In the Netherlands you go to a cafe for real drinking coffee.

Many not from Europe or have never been there don't know this!!

14. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Will there be more coffee gardens and terraces now?:)

15. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 8y

Quoting james

If you smoke then you simply don't care for your health, and therefore can't really call on the public health care system to sort you out when you become sick.

This is particularly true of those smokers who "enjoy it, and could give up at anytime".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/473673.stm

So, should that aplly to fat people as well? Or people who have jobs like painting? Or alcoholists? Or drug addicts maybe? Or people who choose to live near very busy roads? Or women choosing to get pregnant (was not necessary right?) and have health problems? After all, it is all about choices in life. For example, I pay health ensurance tax, which includes pregnancy Why should I pay for that and not visa versa?

I know what you mean James, but unfortunately things don't work that way in the world. The first step that has to be taken is to forbid the production of all sorts of tabacco if governments where really concerned of our health. Then, when it is illegal and you still use...then maybe your statement could make sense.

And in the end we all die So who is going to pay the funeral

16. Posted by marlis (Travel Guru 1167 posts) 8y

wrong Utrecht,there is a difference about the death of a smoker and a non smoker!!

the non smoker dies healthier!!

(this I tell everybody who says to me that I will die from smoking if I wont stop)

what about this electronic cigaretts ?I was told that a lot of people use them in the Netherlands.Have you tried it?
what would be the next on the forbidden list if all smokers would stop?
where would the goverments get the tax from the get now for cigaretts?
when I stop smoking one day(maybe) I will do it on my on will and not because it is forbidden.

17. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting james

If you smoke then you simply don't care for your health, and therefore can't really call on the public health care system to sort you out when you become sick.

This is particularly true of those smokers who "enjoy it, and could give up at anytime".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/473673.stm

So, should that aplly to fat people as well? Or people who have jobs like painting? Or alcoholists? Or drug addicts maybe? Or people who choose to live near very busy roads? Or women choosing to get pregnant (was not necessary right?) and have health problems? After all, it is all about choices in life. For example, I pay health ensurance tax, which includes pregnancy Why should I pay for that and not visa versa?

I know what you mean James, but unfortunately things don't work that way in the world. The first step that has to be taken is to forbid the production of all sorts of tabacco if governments where really concerned of our health. Then, when it is illegal and you still use...then maybe your statement could make sense.

And in the end we all die So who is going to pay the funeral

I don't know about the other examples that you mentioned. I haven't given those examples any thought. But it's just plain stupidity for people to smoke, and even more so to call on public health care when they need a new lung.

Funny thing, I'm going for a few drinks with a friend of mine very soon (in the next 5 minutes in fact) and his father recently passed away from a smoking related illness - emphysema I think. However, he'd had his legs amuptated and spent the last 10 years of his life living in misery because of his health - all caused by 50 years of smoking. He acknowledged this was the cause, as did his doctors. Anyway, the funny thing about it is that my friend is STILL a chain smoker - even seeing his father go through the torment that he did, and even laying his to rest, he still CHOOSES to smoke. Sure, he's a friend of mine but he's an IDIOT who is staring down the barrel of similar misery down the track.

18. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 8y

Knowledge does not necessarily translate to action, changes usually require some additional stimulus or motivation.

I agree with Utrecht that it's all about personal choices.

19. Posted by marlis (Travel Guru 1167 posts) 8y

if you go to see a doctor fore what ever he will ask you: are you smoking?
you say : yes
the doctor will blame your problem on smoking
if you say no,I dont smoke,he will find something alse.

sure smoking is not healthy,but there are many unhealthy things beside smoking.

so @sapphyre
you go for a few drinks with your friend?is this healthy?
your friends father lost his legs because of smoking?maybe he smoked and drunk and never left the chair in front of his TV while he was drinking and eating fast food?
your friend is still smoking,maybe he knows that his dad died not only because of smoking.Dont blame him for smoking,he is going trough a hard time loosing his father,if he will stop for this reason good for him,but give him time,if not,he will be still your friend?

20. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 8y

marlis I'm not sure if you directed your questions at the wrong person, or if you interpreted the intention of my words wrongly.

I'm not against smoking, although my profession is supposed to be because it's the number one preventable cause of death. Something I avoid doing during work is smoking cessation counselling because I believe people (smokers in this case) can only be helped if they want to be helped.

All of us are guility of some form of unhealthy lifestyle choices I think.