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21. Posted by marlis (Travel Guru 1167 posts) 8y

sorry if you feel that I was asking only you this questions about smoking,
but I think it is strange that you say that smoking is the number one cause of daeth.
Smokers are now a minority,but there are still every day people dieing.
People how have never smoked,not even lived close to smokers.
I still think there are more dangeres 'smokes" around us then this from tabaco who make us sick.

22. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

It's strange how smoking - and it's known side affects - seems to be an acceptable habit not only amongst the general public, but also amongst some members of TP.

People here have mentioned that it's the "number one preventable cause of death" and yet "I'm not against smoking". I'm sure if the activity was dangerous driving or other risk taking activities that would eventually lead to a major health problem, we'd all be up in arms about it. Yet smoking is somehow acceptable. The logic doesn't work.

I think the reason is that the negative side effects are not immediate, and that they are sort of "invisible".

Personally I think that smokers are similar to disabled people in that they are not able to function as intended. If you don't believe me then go have a smoke, do a lap around the block, then come back and tell me all about it. Fools.

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 29, 2007, at 2:37 AM by james ]

23. Posted by kezin (Budding Member 104 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Personally I think that smokers are similar to disabled people in that they are not able to function as intended. If you don't believe me then go have a smoke, do a lap around the block, then come back and tell me all about it. Fools.

- How interesting. I happen to have a disability; yet somehow am able to ' function as intended '.

24. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

James, good to have an opinion and I agreewith you that not smoking is just better and maybe I am a fool. But the only thing you really do is trying to irritate people with certain quotes and not seeing the bigger thing. It is an addiction and like sapphyre said knowing things does not mean behaving as such. Lots of other examples in everyday life, you can name a few probably yourself if you try.

It's strange how smoking - and it's known side affects - seems to be an acceptable habit not only amongst the general public, but also amongst some members of TP.

Do you really think TP is a totally different part of society, I mean on average?
Funny though, I met an Australian during travelling and he was so against smoking, you could almost feel he looked down upon you because of the smoking. I think that such actions are always based on some sort of selfesteem and that many people are afraid of just dying. Well guess: number one killer is oxygen: that mean we will age and eventually die. 50 years of smoking.....means he was well in his sixties...good age to die, the rest is sitting behind the flowers in the window anyway...or worse, with the wife

what about this electronic cigaretts ?I was told that a lot of people use them in the Netherlands.Have you tried it?

Obviously a lot of them has been sold indeed, but today on the news it was said that maybe it will be forbidden because it could be defined as a medicin...and as holland has so many rules, this seems to be prohibited
Otherwise, it might be an option for me at home. And as from next year smoking will be banned from pubs as well (which is a good thing to be honest) I can get healty and die out of boredom

25. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

Funny though, I met an Australian during travelling and he was so against smoking, you could almost feel he looked down upon you because of the smoking.

I bet he is one of those reformed smokers who used to smoke way more than we do per day.
But I do agree with the smoking in public buildings ban. When I was pregnant cigarette smoke used to make me sick. Secondhand smoke is not just bad for not yet borns but I think pregnant women need to be able to socialise and cant if people can smoke in cafes etc. I dont know how they coped when smoking was still allowed in work places. I would have had to quit my job as soon as I got pregnant to prevent puking all day. Also I think smokefree air is the right of children and unborns. We have no right to subject them to our unhealthy habits.
But I suppose all others do have a right to smokless air when they go into public buildings even if some of them are as annoying as that Australian guy u speak of. :)

Mel

26. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Nah, I seriously reckon that smoking is cool and is an addiction and therefore it's okay by me. A bit like problem gambling (which isn't really a problem but more a lifestyle choice)

[ Edit: Edited on Dec 29, 2007, at 6:57 PM by james ]

27. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 8y

To set the record straight, I've never smoked in my life. But I know people who do and it doesn't stop me from calling them friends or hanging out with them. I've also met many customers and patients in my work who smoke, and because it's an obligation of my work to try to get them to stop smoking, I've come to see the various reasons people smoke, it's not always an addiction and when it is, sometimes it's insignificant compared to other things they have to deal with in their lives. I feel that outsiders aren't always the best to judge them or their lives (especially in my case where I only get to spend minutes with them trying to get to know things and impart knowledge). And at this time and age with the ready abundance and availability of info I don't believe there're many people who don't know the ill-effects of smoking, at least over here where the government's anti-smoking campaigns goes into overdrive each year and laws are tough - taxes for cigarettes are freaking high and smoking is banned both indoors and outdoors at all public estabilshments. Eating places and pubs are only allowed to have 10% of their outdoor area specially marked for smokers. But there're always ways to get around these things if a person really wants to smoke, isn't it?

Similarly I think those who are against smoking have their own reasons for being so.

I don't like people to tell me what to do, which is why I don't interfere with other people's lives. And just because I'm in a so-called prim and proper white coat job doesn't mean I can't have my personal beliefs and have a crazier side to life outside work. Neither do I neglect my smoker patients who want or need to be helped - I refer them to colleagues who strongly believe in the power of smoking cessation counselling and are qualified to talk to them.

This is the first time I've heard of electronic cigarettes Did a google search and I think they look much better than the current nicotine inhalers..might appeal to some of those who are trying to quit smoking here! But they'll be considered medicinal products, definitely

28. Posted by kezin (Budding Member 104 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

James, good to have an opinion and I agreewith you that not smoking is just better and maybe I am a fool. But the only thing you really do is trying to irritate people with certain quotes and not seeing the bigger thing.

- That's O.K. to post the odd, inane, asinine, ignorant and insensitive comment. We have all done the same thing at some point. Those who read such drivel here at T.P. are mature enough, have sufficient self- esteem, and are using their brains enough- to not feel slighted or crapped upon.

29. Posted by daveh (Travel Guru 1027 posts) 8y

i love the smoking ban. everyone is now smoking on the streets, so you have to go inside a pub to get some fresh air

30. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting kezin

...Those who read such drivel here at T.P. are mature enough, have sufficient self- esteem, and are using their brains enough- to not feel slighted or crapped upon.

Obviously