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41. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

James is just grumpy because he did not get out of Australia at all in 2007.
If it was not for those smokers whose healthcare he has to pay for he would have been around the world 10 times last year. ;)

What are you talking about? I went to Iran and visited Elnaz

42. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting james

What are you talking about? I went to Iran and visited Elnaz

Copycat ;)

43. Posted by kezin (Budding Member 104 posts) 8y

Quoting james

To you cry babies out there, I"ll remind you what I wrote - "personally I think that smokers are similar to disabled people in that they are not able to function as intended - I did not say that they were disabled.

My point - and you know it - was to highlight the fact that your average smokers typically experiences effects to their health - shortness of breath, persistent coughs, reduced fitness, and a decreased sense of taste and smell among other things - that can make it more difficult to perform certain activities than if they didn't smoke.

I would have thought that it was quite simple.

- I agree. Simple.

- I am going to tell you something about ' disabled people '- they function as intended, pal. All individuals function within certain limitations; imposed upon them by others, by ' fate ', by ' ideology ', by hereditary factors, by poverty, and by cultural dynamics. It does not matter who you are or where on this planet you abide- each and every individual must function within a certain range of limitations. It is a GIVEN that some will be more competent and resilient than others. It is a GIVEN that many will perish while others will ultimately prosper.

- Scenario: A paramedic is required somewhere. Three applicants: one very fit man in his 30's, one very fit woman in her 30's, and a man who is missing one leg. The last applicant is tactfully eliminated for obvious reasons- he would not be able to perform his expected duties WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE JOB'S REQUIREMENTS. So he goes somewhere else and is hired and excells at his work because the parameters of his new job are of the required width; meaning- within THOSE parameters he can ' function as intended '.

- The human organism continues to evolve; it is not static or fixed within some cosmic physiological quicksand. Even though as individuals we all function within certain limitations- our ' species ' is in process, incrementally.

- My own particular disability ( which I will accept is a ' deficiency ' ) happens to be hereditary. Where- and when- was the ' essence ' of ' intention ' conceived ? Was ' God ' responsible ? Were ' historical forces ' responsible ? Are all of us ' intended ' to ' meet a certain standard ' at the point of conception ?

- Where I work are many individuals with certain particular ' disabilities '. They are all- without question- ' functioning as intended ' within the parameters of their capabilities. Like every living, breathing individual on this planet. It is a given that if someone is ' deficient ' in one area- then they become ' stronger ' in other areas. If someone develops some variety of mental illness, does that make him or her unable to ' function as intended ' ?

- Some orthodoxies of belief are doomed to wither and blow away because they are not progressive, because they refuse to accept diversity and adversity, or refuse to be challenged.

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44. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting kezin

Quoting james

To you cry babies out there, I"ll remind you what I wrote - "personally I think that smokers are similar to disabled people in that they are not able to function as intended - I did not say that they were disabled.

My point - and you know it - was to highlight the fact that your average smokers typically experiences effects to their health - shortness of breath, persistent coughs, reduced fitness, and a decreased sense of taste and smell among other things - that can make it more difficult to perform certain activities than if they didn't smoke.

I would have thought that it was quite simple.

- I agree. Simple.

- I am going to tell you something about ' disabled people '- they function as intended, pal. All individuals function within certain limitations; imposed upon them by others, by ' fate ', by ' ideology ', by hereditary factors, by poverty, and by cultural dynamics. It does not matter who you are or where on this planet you abide- each and every individual must function within a certain range of limitations. It is a GIVEN that some will be more competent and resilient than others. It is a GIVEN that many will perish while others will ultimately prosper.

- Scenario: A paramedic is required somewhere. Three applicants: one very fit man in his 30's, one very fit woman in her 30's, and a man who is missing one leg. The last applicant is tactfully eliminated for obvious reasons- he would not be able to perform his expected duties WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE JOB'S REQUIREMENTS. So he goes somewhere else and is hired and excells at his work because the parameters of his new job are of the required width; meaning- within THOSE parameters he can ' function as intended '.

- The human organism continues to evolve; it is not static or fixed within some cosmic physiological quicksand. Even though as individuals we all function within certain limitations- our ' species ' is in process, incrementally.

- My own particular disability ( which I will accept is a ' deficiency ' ) happens to be hereditary. Where- and when- was the ' essence ' of ' intention ' conceived ? Was ' God ' responsible ? Were ' historical forces ' responsible ? Are all of us ' intended ' to ' meet a certain standard ' at the point of conception ?

- Where I work are many individuals with certain particular ' disabilities '. They are all- without question- ' functioning as intended ' within the parameters of their capabilities. Like every living, breathing individual on this planet. It is a given that if someone is ' deficient ' in one area- then they become ' stronger ' in other areas. If someone develops some variety of mental illness, does that make him or her unable to ' function as intended ' ?

- Some orthodoxies of belief are doomed to wither and blow away because they are not progressive, because they refuse to accept diversity and adversity, or refuse to be challenged.

-

Kezin, I apologise if my comments have offended. That was certainly not the intention.

45. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Kezin, I apologise if my comments have offended. That was certainly not the intention.

If?
James is not functioning as intended. He is taking out of the wrong end.

46. Posted by kezin (Budding Member 104 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting james

Kezin, I apologise if my comments have offended. That was certainly not the intention.

If?
James is not functioning as intended. He is taking out of the wrong end.

- Well, as I have repeated here: there certainly WAS no offense taken. Not ever.

- I appreciate your telling me that there was no intention on your part to ( possibly ) ' offend ' T.P. members ( again, not myself ) who happen to have specific disabilities.

- Take Care, Kevin

47. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 8y

Copycat

48. Posted by abroad67 (Budding Member 4 posts) 8y

My friend buys cigs online for 1.25 a pack.

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