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51. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Quoting tway

You're preaching to the choir here--what's that going to accomplish?

And it is not flattering either to suggest I am preaching when I think I am engaging in a conversation.

52. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Oh dear, what is the roll eyes for?
Or dont I want to know?

Anyway, I ask u and whoever else it may concern to kindly let those of us who want to have poliitcal and religious conversations have them. It is not against the forum rules afterall.
I know it is not everybodies cup of tea and I wont mind at all if those people avoid my threads and the threads of others who start them.

53. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Anyway, I ask u and whoever else it may concern to kindly let those of us who want to have poliitcal and religious conversations have them. It is not against the forum rules afterall.
I know it is not everybodies cup of tea and I wont mind at all if those people avoid my threads and the threads of others who start them.

Everyone can discuss religion and politics to their heart's desire. The key word there is discuss and in your own words. Taking other people's opinions (and they are just that - opinions) from another forum site at random is unfair when those people are not here to defend what they have written. Posting the initial URL to reference the first comment doesn't make it acceptable to continue using additional comments in support of your own position. If you really want to have this "conversation", then I recommend continuing on from the following point, as it was about the only real material from which to work:

Quoting Mel.

But what is this word fundamentalist about? Is the difference between a religious person and a fundamentalist person like the difference between a person who inflicts grievious bodily harm and one who murders? Really, to whichever extent they follow those religious teachings makes no sense. Why hang on to that old stuff long after it has been proven that it cant possibly be real. Or dont they have the grey cells to read and understand any scientific research?

[ Edit: Edited on Feb 20, 2008, at 8:59 AM by Isadora ]

54. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

The forum I took the comments from is a forum viewable to the public.
I think it is a bit too rigid to insist that people dont quote others and talk about what they said just because they are not taking part in the discussion.
If there is to be a rule like that(which there is not in the forum rules) then would it no longer be possible to quote what Bush says, what a particular psychologist says, what a travel buddy said.... Or is it OK to quote certain people? And who would decide which people are worthy of being quoted?
But I think if people post their comments on a forum viewable to everybody on the internet they would be naive to expect nobody to talk about what they say.
I think it may be time to state the forum rules clearly so nobody accidently breaks them. It is a bit unfair to put people in the position where they can be critisised for breaking a rule they did not know about.

55. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Anyway, I ask u and whoever else it may concern to kindly let those of us who want to have poliitcal and religious conversations have them. It is not against the forum rules afterall.

Disagreeing with you is still considered having a conversation. Or would you prefer to take a page out of the fundamentalist book and not listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you?

56. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting tway

Quoting Mel.

Anyway, I ask u and whoever else it may concern to kindly let those of us who want to have poliitcal and religious conversations have them. It is not against the forum rules afterall.

Disagreeing with you is still considered having a conversation. Or would you prefer to take a page out of the fundamentalist book and not listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you?

Tway, many of the things I say are exagerated to probe conversation. Like the one about whether smoking should be banned. It sounds like a strong intolerant statement but it is in fact a joke. I smoke and dont care if others do. My jokes appeal to people with a certian sense of humour. Again, not everybodies cup of tea. Some people dont like to be teased. I suppose I should be selective about who I make fun of. I will try my best not to get carried away with people who are uncomfortable with it. Really, I dont mind if u disagree with me. ;)

57. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

The forum I took the comments from is a forum viewable to the public.
I think it is a bit too rigid to insist that people dont quote others and talk about what they said just because they are not taking part in the discussion.
If there is to be a rule like that(which there is not in the forum rules) then would it no longer be possible to quote what Bush says, what a particular psychologist says, what a travel buddy said.... Or is it OK to quote certain people? And who would decide which people are worthy of being quoted?
But I think if people post their comments on a forum viewable to everybody on the internet they would be naive to expect nobody to talk about what they say.
I think it may be time to state the forum rules clearly so nobody accidently breaks them. It is a bit unfair to put people in the position where they can be critisised for breaking a rule they did not know about.

First of all, I haven't insisted on anything except realizing that using random comments from another discussion forum, to support your own point of view, is a bit unfair when done repeatedly. To be honest, I haven't seen Bush on a discussion forum lately so most any of his quotes that you might use would come from the published media. The other examples you give don't equate either. There is a difference between published media and discussion forums - even when publically viewable. It is also not about worthiness.

What I am saying is that taking selective comments to reinforce an opinion isn't necessarily the best approach for generating a discussion when those comments are from a discussion somewhere else and not in context. Even on TP, members do not always appreciate just part of their reply to be used as a reference because (again) it is used out of context.

Finally, it has nothing to do with breaking forum rules but that of common sense and curtesy. You may not agree with what these people say but when you use their words to prove your point, it truly makes you no different.

58. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting Isadora

Finally, it has nothing to do with breaking forum rules but that of common sense and curtesy. You may not agree with what these people say but when you use their words to prove your point, it truly makes you no different.

Common sense? Courtesy? Mel???

59. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

The forum I took the comments from is a forum viewable to the public.
I think it is a bit too rigid to insist that people dont quote others and talk about what they said just because they are not taking part in the discussion.
If there is to be a rule like that(which there is not in the forum rules) then would it no longer be possible to quote what Bush says, what a particular psychologist says, what a travel buddy said.... Or is it OK to quote certain people? And who would decide which people are worthy of being quoted?
But I think if people post their comments on a forum viewable to everybody on the internet they would be naive to expect nobody to talk about what they say.
I think it may be time to state the forum rules clearly so nobody accidently breaks them. It is a bit unfair to put people in the position where they can be critisised for breaking a rule they did not know about.

There is virtually no way rules can be written to cover EVERY possible thing and situation. You must remember that there are always the "unwritten rules" which we do not have to say it out loud, some of which Isa has mentioned below.

Quoting Isadora

Finally, it has nothing to do with breaking forum rules but that of common sense and curtesy. You may not agree with what these people say but when you use their words to prove your point, it truly makes you no different.

60. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Tway, many of the things I say are exagerated to probe conversation.

Then don't get your knickers in a twist whenever people disagree with you. If you can dish it out, you have to be prepared to swallow your share, too.

If you re-read from the beginning, Mel, no one is questioning your right to put controversial or provocative topics up for conversation. You're trying to get us to react to comments you've dug up online, and we're telling you we agree with you that those comments are uncalled for and unjust. We're also telling you that the original posters are anonymous and extremist and do not represent the majority. You're the one who's trying to make a link between extremists and the religious masses.