We are planning on purchasing the eurorail passes and need to know what you believe the best order is. We have our main 4-5 places chosen but in the order you chose for us to take you can also include places in which we can stop mid-voyage if that makes any sense.
Anyways we want to start at London for a bit then train to Paris, France. and then
-Prague, Czech Republic
-(Rome Venice) Italy
We are thinking a 25 day trip. Starting in London and ending in ________ .
We really want 4-5 days in each place and 1 day in amsterdam.
Thanks so much
I have never travelled by train across Europe but to me your Itinerary seems a bit erratic. If you look at a map of Europe, it seems your going to be criss crossing all over the place which will take up a lot of your time.
Its probably best to work from West to East where possible. So for Instance, I guess you'll be taking the eurostar from London to Paris,
from Paris to Barcelona,
from Barcelona to Amsterdam,
from Amstredam to Prague,
from Prague to Rome then onto Venice,
from Venice to Greece.
I realise this exact Itinerary might not be possible but hopefully you can get my drift about going from West to East.
Good luck, you'll have a great time.
how would you recommend we do it
amsterdam we only really want to spend a day there
we can spend up to about 29 days in europe.
how long would you stay in each place an what do you think the travel times between each place would be
thanks a lot
The only sensible way to visit all of these places is to either stop off at destinations in between, or use another form of transport than the train. Barcelona to Amsterdam (or vice versa) is going to take a good 15-18 hours, Amsterdam to Prague is going to be around 12 hours, Prague to Rome as much as 20 hours and Greece really isn't within reach from any of these places and would have to be done by sea (Venice to Greece would take 35+ hours). If you spent 4 days in each of these places that's 20 days and the train journeys would each count as a full day of travel and would pretty much use up all of your 25 days.
The easiest way is obviously to fly between each destination, but it's perhaps doable with only one flight if you did this -
Paris - Amsterdam by train
Amsterdam - Prague by train (maybe stopping off somewhere between these two cities)
Prague to Greece by plane
Ferry to Italy
Ferry from Civitavecchia (Rome) to Barcelona
If it were me I'd be tempted to drop Greece from your itinerary (there's a lot to see in Greece and whizzing in and out in a couple of days really isn't worth the effort of getting there) and then you would have everything open to you by train. So you could do something like -
Paris - Amsterdam by train
Amsterdam - a German city (maybe Cologne)
From there - Prague
Prague - somewhere between Prague and Venice (you might want to stay in Vienna as, aside from it being a great city in its own right, there are good connections to Venice)
Venice - Rome
Civitavecchia (Rome) to Barcelona by ferry
Alternatively I could give the classic bit of TP advice and say that the trip is too ambitious, but I understand a lot of people like going on trips where they see as much as they can and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with that in my opinion.
I agree with Black Frank, the only sensible way to do this initiary is by plane, not by train.
I would fly Paris-Rome or Venice, Rome-Barcelona, Barcelona-Amsterdam, Amsterdam-Greece, Greece-Vienna or Berlin and then train from Vienna or Berlin to Prague. From Prague or Berlin I would then fly back to London. A lot of it would depend when I could get cheap flights. See http://www.skyscanner.net
However since all this flying is expensive, not very practical and terrible for the environment, I highly recommend that you change you initiary to a more sensible combination. By train I would go London-Paris-Barcelona, then fly to Rome, take the train from Venice to Vienna and Prague and then Dresden, Berlin and Amsterdam. I would skip Greece too, unless you are willing to spent more time there. You haven't mentioned when do you plan to go, if it is in spring you won't have much fun at the beach in Greece as the water is still too cold-
Personally, I think Black Frank's itineraries are pretty awesome and would also go with his recommendation of dropping Greece. I think it makes the trip much more manageable, but that's just my two cents!
If you know roughly when you are travelling and don't mind fixing dates, i'd be inclined not to bother with a pass, and do it point to point. Part of logic is that unless you choose slower connections with more changes, you will have to pay supplements/compulsary reservations on several of the trips anyway, which will push the price up, whereas advance online tickets will work out much cheaper. I do, however, accept that that then cuts back on your flexibility.
London-Paris-Amsterdam by train is easy enough and cheap if booked ahead , and there is also a direct night train from Amsterdam to Prague, which costs from just 29euros.
From there, Greece makes no sense by rail if you are on a tight schedule and/or not stopping off en route
So i would suggest flying Prague-Athens, or alternatively as t-maia says, from train to Berlin or Vienna and fly from there. Easyjet flies Berlin-Athens, though you by the time you add train fare from Prague it might be cheaper to fly direct. Sky airways, for example, fly Prague-Athens from about 100euros.
If you wanted to go surface, you could then get a train/boat ticket from Athens to Rome via Patras and Brindisi (or direct to Venice, though it's more expensive), which is reasonably cheap. Rome to Venice by train. From Venice, you can either get the train (night train Milan-Barcelona, every other night, book ahead for it to be cheap) or fly to Barcelona (Easyjet again, and Ryanair fly Milan to Barcelona, whilst Ryanair also fly from both Venice and Rome to Barcelona), and there are many other airlines