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201. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

I didn't realise that defense of 21st century Western democracy was classed as abuse of a violent faith and primitive culture. (Geert Wilders was correct).
Sheet, Islam is the most discrimatory and hate-filled faith you could find.

Tell me, is it sheer frustation that speaks or u had some bad experience when u spent those 15 days in Indonesia, a Muslim majority country

I wonder what made u spend so many days in a Muslim country when u hate Islam the most. I am sure u would not have dared abuse Islam when u visited Indonesia. :)

The word Jihad has been wrongly used by the Islamic extremists to further their ends, but remember extremists have no religion and they may do the work in the name of religion to brainwash innocent people but Islam never approves of such Acts. The main issue is to contain and exterminate extremists and not to defame and derogate ISLAM as this would prove counter productive

202. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

What does my holiday in Bali have to do with the intimadatory response of moslems to kafirs rejecting their wishes.?
The mayor of Camden said 3100 submissions about the school had been made by residents but only 50 were in favour (0.5 %).
Sounds like democracy to me (a concept sadly lacking in almost all islamic countries).
If the Australian government had a referendum next month asking the question "Should the emigration of moslems into Australia be stopped", the response would , I expect would be 'YES' at 90% plus.
How do you integrate 7th century stagnant primitivism into a 21st century modern and progressive culture?
Australia NSW - CAMDEN Council's decision to block an Islamic school could force Islamic education underground, where "extreme imams" could reach children without supervision or monitoring, the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Ikebal Patel, has warned.
Has anyone ever heard of extreme Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh or Hindhu priests in Australia?
How's about Aussie backyard (should that be backdoor?) boys Abdul Nacer Benbrika (in the slammer dropping the soap) and Muhammed Omran who glorify Slimea Bin Liner and slag off the culture they live in.
300
No Prisoners, no Mercy.

[ Edit: Edited on May 30, 2008, at 10:06 AM by wotthefiqh ]

203. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

The school was not rejected as a result of "democracy". It was rejected on planning grounds.

I doubt that the wishes of ratepayers are of much concern to Sydney councils.

Funnily enough, I'm in the process of paying Kogarah Council my quarterly rate fees. One of the councillors lists his address in my street, but he actually lives in Mittagong. What a fraud.

[ Edit: Edited on May 30, 2008, at 5:17 PM by james ]

204. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Australia NSW - CAMDEN Council's decision to block an Islamic school could force Islamic education underground, where "extreme imams" could reach children without supervision or monitoring, the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Ikebal Patel, has warned.
Has anyone ever heard of extreme Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh or Hindhu priests in Australia?
How's about Aussie backyard (should that be backdoor?) boys Abdul Nacer Benbrika (in the slammer dropping the soap) and Muhammed Omran who glorify Slimea Bin Liner and slag off the culture they live in.
300
No Prisoners, no Mercy.

Heyy same thing u had posted earlier too

Dont u have something new and even this stands exposed after the clarification given by James

205. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Arif,
As far as I recall, you have never actually responded to my posts with any cogent counter-argument.
I've had 'you hate Islam' to 'why holiday in Bali?' to 'James has answered my last post with a clarification'

Two points -

1) The Camden councillers used a neutral reason (planning grounds) to save their arses cause if they had approved it over the virulent objections of the locals they would have been close to either being lynched, treated as merde as they went about their normal daily routine or had dog turds (maybe pigs head) stuffed in their letter boxes.
No-one in Australia wants moslems in God's Own.
2) For the second time in this thread I have to ask you to PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
There are extremist moslem clerics here in MY country (e.g. Abdul Nacer Benbrika, Muhammed Omran).
How many extremist Anglican, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh or Hindhu priests are there in Australia?
FUCK ALL.
2) You posted - The word Jihad has been wrongly used by the Islamic extremists to further their ends.
Bollocks - Jihad (in Arabic, "struggle") is a central duty of every Muslim. Modern Muslim theologians have spoken of many things as jihads: the struggle within the soul, defending the faith from critics (almost always violent - Van Gogh, Rushdie,Danish cartoonists, etc, etc, etc, etc,....), supporting its growth and defense financially, even migrating to non-Muslim ands for the purpose of spreading Islam. But violent jihad is a constant of Islamic history. Many passages of the Qur'an and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad are used by jihad warriors today to justify their actions and gain new recruits. No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad.

206. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Arif,
As far as I recall, you have never actually responded to my posts with any cogent counter-argument.
I've had 'you hate Islam' to 'why holiday in Bali?' to 'James has answered my last post with a clarification'

Two points -

1) The Camden councillers used a neutral reason (planning grounds) to save their arses cause if they had approved it over the virulent objections of the locals they would have been close to either being lynched, treated as merde as they went about their normal daily routine or had dog turds (maybe pigs head) stuffed in their letter boxes.
No-one in Australia wants moslems in God's Own.
2) For the second time in this thread I have to ask you to PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
There are extremist moslem clerics here in MY country (e.g. Abdul Nacer Benbrika, Muhammed Omran).
How many extremist Anglican, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh or Hindhu priests are there in Australia?
FUCK ALL.
2) You posted - The word Jihad has been wrongly used by the Islamic extremists to further their ends.
Bollocks - Jihad (in Arabic, "struggle") is a central duty of every Muslim. Modern Muslim theologians have spoken of many things as jihads: the struggle within the soul, defending the faith from critics (almost always violent - Van Gogh, Rushdie,Danish cartoonists, etc, etc, etc, etc,....), supporting its growth and defense financially, even migrating to non-Muslim ands for the purpose of spreading Islam. But violent jihad is a constant of Islamic history. Many passages of the Qur'an and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad are used by jihad warriors today to justify their actions and gain new recruits. No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad.

I see no point in arguing and replying to the points by u...honestly they are not worth it!!!

It is not as easy what u said, the problem has been made complex by the geo-politics. If u remember correctly, Taliban was propped up by the US to counter the Soviet backed Afghanistan. They are given arms and money by the US, later the same Taliban has come up against US. US Supported Iraq against Iran and then later Iraq turned against them. It is meddling in the internal affairs of the countries but in contrast US is not presssing the Middle East countries to abolish monarchy and restore democracy there, becoz if democracy comes their hold on these countries may lessen which in turn will afect the oil supply. I am sure if Middle East countries become democratic the problem of extremist terrorists will be solved.

I feeel sad that u cant look beyond ur "Hate outlook" and try to see how this problem can be solved. The politics is the real problem. I will still feel if middle east nations become Democratic, terrorism will die its natural death.

Now tell me, how u propose to solve this problem:

1. To kill all muslims and wipe them from this world.
2. To fuck them all as u keep on saying
3. To allow them to co-exist with other communities
4. Any other solution that u can think of
3.

207. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

The mayor of Camden said 3100 submissions about the school had been made by residents but only 50 were in favour (0.5 %).
Sounds like democracy to me (a concept sadly lacking in almost all islamic countries).
Australia NSW - CAMDEN Council's decision to block an Islamic school could force Islamic education underground, where "extreme imams" could reach children without supervision or monitoring, the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Ikebal Patel, has warned.
Has anyone ever heard of extreme Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh or Hindhu priests in Australia?
How's about Aussie backyard (should that be backdoor?) boys Abdul Nacer Benbrika (in the slammer dropping the soap) and Muhammed Omran who glorify Slimea Bin Liner and slag off the culture they live in.
300
No Prisoners, no Mercy.

I am amazed at the beauty at which u twist the facts and present a distorted picture The CAMDEN council's decision to block the Islamic school was on planning grounds and not religious grounds. Here is a link to the news

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/camden-council-rejects-islamic-school/2008/05/27/1211654025143.html

U better do ur home-work properly before presenting any such sensational news

208. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Arif,
As far as I recall, you have never actually responded to my posts with any cogent counter-argument.
I've had 'you hate Islam' to 'why holiday in Bali?' to 'James has answered my last post with a clarification'

If u dont have a good memory just scroll back to the beginning and middle of the thread. I gave reasoned arguments along with quotes from the Quran giving due respect to all religions. I also agreed and stilll agree with the point that Islamic extremists need to be reined in by whatever means becoz religion never permits killing inncoent people. Terrorism in any form should be curbed.

Then came ur hate filled arguments which had lesss of reasoning and more of efforts to defame and derogate ISLAM. Such defamatory remarks do not deserve a reasoned argument and that made me just laugh offf ur remarks. Maybe others have stopped following this thread as it tends to die down but then time n again u come and revive the thread. This is just a desperate attempt on ur part to revive the topic when other members are hardly interested. Anyway Good Luck

209. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Trty www.memri.org/
Seventh century witchdoctors the lot of them, except for the ex-head of Bahrein's Law Faculty?
Now there is a modern moslem.
Cave ab homine unius libri

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 1, 2008, at 9:45 AM by wotthefiqh ]

210. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 8y

abused by a mullah?

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM by wouterrr ]

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