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221. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

In a nutshell, Europe is fucked

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKRF2uB8xU&feature=channel_page

222. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

In a nutshell, Europe is fucked

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKRF2uB8xU&feature=channel_page

This guy doesn't represent the opinion of entire Europe, nor does Geert Wilders. People like this have a strong opinion without seeing the more realistic reality, namely that most muslims in Europe don't want to terrorize or have the strong tendency to islamize. They would like to see Europe to be Islamic but they also know that this is not realistic. Speak to the normal muslim on the street and you wil know;). Europe is not so fucked as you think. You are too much influenced by the media which is totally corrupt.

[ Edit: Edited on 26-Jan-2009, at 14:54 by wouterrr ]

223. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

It is hard to believe though that the Dutch move abroad because more immigrants come in (if so I would like to know if this is based on an assumption or on a research poll). I think it is more because the Dutch have travelling in their blood and their history.

Being one of those who have left, I might be able to comment. First of all out of the people who leave the Netherlands, are those people came to the Netherlands, and return to their country of origin. Another large number move to Belgium and Germany for the simple reason that taxes are lower, and no I have not left because of some loony, and his opinions, and here in Spain you also have loonies with crazy ideas.

If you move abroad to avoid immigrants, you must be crazy, because you then are one of them, and everybody speaks another language.

[ Edit: Edited on 27-Jan-2009, at 04:20 by Herr Bert ]

224. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

In a nutshell, Europe is fucked

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKRF2uB8xU&feature=channel_page

This guy doesn't represent the opinion of entire Europe, nor does Geert Wilders.
Winstin Churchill didn't represent the opinion of Great Britain (think Neville Chamberlain) back in the 1930's when he warned of the danger of Nazism but history certainly proved him right.
They would like to see Europe to be Islamic but they also know that this is not realistic.

Are there any citizens of Europe who want to Buddhify, Hindify or Rastafarify (my favourite ) the EU?

225. Posted by Dubfast (First Time Poster 1 posts) 7y

Of course he should be able to show it. It is HIS opinion and like everybody else should be able to express it.
The flag burners and lynch mobs turning to violence and destruction are the problem.
Until they learn to control they're emotions, it's not going to stop.
And albeit religion is religion and people say we should respect others beliefs, alot of the violence within that particular religion is carried on in middle eastern countries. (By this I mean punishment for breaking religious law.)
Fair enough our texts may have similar content, but we do not carry out anymore violence in the name of our religion.

[ Edit: Edited on 29-Jan-2009, at 08:00 by Dubfast ]

226. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

In a nutshell, Europe is fucked

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKRF2uB8xU&feature=channel_page

This guy doesn't represent the opinion of entire Europe, nor does Geert Wilders.
Winstin Churchill didn't represent the opinion of Great Britain (think Neville Chamberlain) back in the 1930's when he warned of the danger of Nazism but history certainly proved him right.
They would like to see Europe to be Islamic but they also know that this is not realistic.

Are there any citizens of Europe who want to Buddhify, Hindify or Rastafarify (my favourite ) the EU?

No trully christian or atheist wants to be islamized, buddhified, hindufied or rastafied or anything else. People dont want to be forced into any religion. The terror of islamic fundamentalists scares all people in the west as much as it does among muslims in the middle east (they are probably the people that are most affected by this terror). But they (the islamic terrorists) do that BECAUSE they feel that they are invaded by USA. That is why these terrorist groups appear. It has pure a political reason. In their opinion it is self-defense. And beside that I have heard that muslims can never force you in their religion because according to the Quran there is no compulsion in religion.

[ Edit: Edited on 29-Jan-2009, at 08:50 by wouterrr ]

227. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting Dubfast

Of course he should be able to show it. It is HIS opinion and like everybody else should be able to express it.
The flag burners and lynch mobs turning to violence and destruction are the problem.
Until they learn to control they're emotions, it's not going to stop.
And albeit religion is religion and people say we should respect others beliefs, alot of the violence within that particular religion is carried on in middle eastern countries. (By this I mean punishment for breaking religious law.)
Fair enough our texts may have similar content, but we do not carry out anymore violence in the name of our religion.

Is that you wotthefiqh

228. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

Is that you wotthefiqh

Yes its me

229. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting wouterrr

They would like to see Europe to be Islamic but they also know that this is not realistic.

Are there any citizens of Europe who want to Buddhify, Hindify or Rastafarify (my favourite ) the EU?

No trully christian or atheist wants to be islamized, buddhified, hindufied or rastafied or anything else. People dont want to be forced into any religion. The terror of islamic fundamentalists scares all people in the west as much as it does among muslims in the middle east (they are probably the people that are most affected by this terror). But they (the islamic terrorists) do that BECAUSE they feel that they are invaded by USA. That is why these terrorist groups appear. It has pure a political reason. In their opinion it is self-defense. And beside that I have heard that muslims can never force you in their religion because according to the Quran there is no compulsion in religion.

Ivan Pavlov would have a field day with that response.
Grandmother got inflamed haemorrhoids, gotta blame American foreign policy.
Uncle Fredrick has to wait 18 months for a new set of wooden teeth, gotta blame Wall Street (or whats left of it).
How much do you actually know about Islamic history?
Have you read the Koran, checked out the philosophies of Ibn Taymiyyah, Sayyid Qutb or the Muslim Brotherhood?

You state in your previous post 'They would like to see Europe to be Islamic'.
So can you actually PUT UP and answer the question?
Are there any citizens of Europe who want to Buddhify, Hindify or Rastafarify the EU?

Geert has far more evidence to support his opinion than you seem to do.

230. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

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Ivan Pavlov would have a field day with that response.
Grandmother got inflamed haemorrhoids, gotta blame American foreign policy.
Uncle Fredrick has to wait 18 months for a new set of wooden teeth, gotta blame Wall Street (or whats left of it).

Do you really think that there is no link whatsoever between the actions of the American foreign policy and terrorist groups like Al qaida? You really dont think that the attacks in New York, Londen, Madrid have anything to do with the actions of the American foreign policies and its allies? What would you do when Australia would be invaded by the americans and take control tomorrow. Would you be silent and sit back and let it overcome you? Would you feel amazed when some Australian people starts to fight against occupation?

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