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251. Posted by muqti (Budding Member 3 posts) 7y

well there has been many Movies like this and in my country there has been lot of protest against them !

252. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

I think it is a very easy point. Every country has it's own laws, and if a film stays within the borders of these laws there is nothing wrong with making a film (whatever the content). If somebody feels offended, go to court and make a complaint, and a judge will look into it. Countries are different, and therefor laws are different, so you can never judge a film maked and produced in one country according to the laws that are valid in another country. The other country can only prevent the distribution of the film, within it's own territory if it feels that the film doesn't stay within the borders of that country. Even most European countries has a blacklist, which books that can't be sold, so it's not that strange.

My opinion about the Wilders movie is that it is crap, with many (very many) errors. It's badly made and for most of the time had me laughing because of all the nonsense this man is talking about. But saying in another country that a film should be forbidden is nonsense, because in this case the Dutch law is valid, and according to Dutch law you are allowed to make crappy films, with a lot of errors.

(p.s. muqti, for the sake of the discussion in this case it might be good to say from which country you are from.)

253. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 7y

"film" is one thing, and providing "facts" is another. wilders hasnt made a film, he has made a documentary, revealing the "true" picture. so this is automatically controversial. and going to court. Hans Jansen says muslims cant do one thing: apologize for their acts (apologize for people we dont even consider muslims) . guess what? nobody gave an apology to the muslim world for this "truth-revealing" documentary, and i dont see the media or geert wilders being disowned, so why did the government say the media is free and they cant apologize on their behalf? same happened when the danish cartoons came out.
on french tv, on one of the talk shows, the host gathered some muslims and christians to talk about freedom of speech in regards to the cartoons. and then he went on babbling about how it is a basic right, and nobody should try to step over it. in another episode he invited this muslim who had apparently published some cartoons about the jews, and the same host was asking him to apologize becuz it was crossing the line!
and i dont know how many times it must be said that freedom of speech is not as free as we are assuming it is. it comes with some morals and values and respect. otherwise we just always talk bullshit about each other like we do and just throw more fuel on an already long-existing war now! shouldnt it be about helping the cause instead of aggravating it? and lets be a bit fair and not try to seek more advantage over others like from my example in paragraph 2. where is the so-called equality that these pro-libertarians talk about?

254. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting fuchsinrot

non-quoting wothefick or whatever ..

I should've followed the proper quote system ... but guess what! there was nothing worth quoting.
your long post was quite an eye-sore, especially after finding nothing in it.
I didn't expect you to go to this much trouble NON -replying to my comments in post 228

do u have some hidden insecurities?
Insecurity : incurable pyschological disorder
Causes : perceived insult, criticism or being held to account for religous/cultural behaviour.
Symptoms : mindless rage, threats of violence, mass psychosis resulting in violent street demonstrations, baying for the murder of the perpetrator(s) and acts of justified murder.

As far as I can tell, all your posts have been either anti-American (post 220 - America responsible for the pitiful state of the Ummah), anti-Western (post 239 - evils of jahiliyya ) or anti-democratic (post 242 - insulting religion) agit-prop.

It's wotthefiqh

255. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 7y

hey wotthewatevr.

i wrote something else first. but i really want to have a conversation with you.
u reply always, but never in context to what others have written. just your own theories which r rather repetitive, and we get what ur problem is. and now uv admitted uv got insecurities. so lets get to the heart of it.
what have u faced in ur past life that u r like this today?
lets talk real. say what?

and also.
i am not anti-democratic. i am anti-exaggerated-limitless-freedom-which-steps-over-others'-premises'
i am not anti-america. i am anti-american-take-over-world-totalitarian-politics
i am not anti-west. you're so analytical, but not enough. read my posts again, and with open eyes and brain

do u have some hidden insecurities?
Insecurity : incurable pyschological disorder << I have to agree with this, but i'll be optimistic. nothing is impossible.
Causes : perceived insult, criticism or being held to account for religous/cultural behaviour. << Let's talk about this.
Symptoms : mindless rage, threats of violence, mass psychosis resulting in violent street demonstrations, baying for the murder of the perpetrator(s) and acts of justified murder.
<< This is also your interpretation of what's going on, not necessarily the truth.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-Apr-2009, at 14:06 by fuchsinrot ]

256. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Looks like fichrots and I have fundamental differences.

There was, or maybe still is, a criminal act on the UK statute books called Demanding Money With Menaces.'
Islam has taken this to a cultural level by both 'Demanding Respect With Menaces' and 'Stifling Free Speech With Menaces'.
Has Siv Jensen copped a death fatwa yet?

[ Edit: Edited on 24-Apr-2009, at 08:19 by wotthefiqh ]

257. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 7y

why hello wotthewatever!
iv been waiting so eagerly for you

Let me ask you something first though. do you believe moderate islam is a myth?
if yes, then:
1. i have sympathy with you and understand your anger and frustration.
if no
2. then you need to rethink all arguments that you are putting forth here, because unfortunately they all become void.

now. people who demand respect through force probably dont even deserve it in the first place. people who deserve respect, but are not given any due to lack of morals of others, should make their point and then ignore the gone-astray in case of a non-favorable response, and continue belief in their own hearts and pray for God's mercy on them.
a human phenomenon that we are very aware of is that "righteous" is not always the adopted path. satan does exist, people do go astray. people with power, especially have a knack of wanting to play with it. can you count all the leaders in history that we have had ever since the concept of "society" has begun, and then point those out who have stood pious to their position?
it's simple psychology. i am not very pro-humanity, but still a humanitarian. i have a view that humans are going dumber by the minute, with the exception of a handful who are exponentially growing smarter. we r living in a very imbalanced proportion. it's easy to mislead people. and leaders are doing pretty damn darn great job.

if you really try and understand the essence of what each of us want, we are both on the same side, not opposing each other in any way. you want to live in peace without having others impose things on you and your lifestyle. and we want to live in peace without others imposing things and their standards on us. and just minus the political people from this equation for now. just think simple humans. you want freedom. we want our privacy and respect (freedom).
where we differ is that you want freedom to such a high extent that it easily enters into the possibility of hurting others. and we are so desperate for respect that we are stepping on your laws. this kinda also makes me anti-globalisation. and i completely agree that if a person cannot comply with the way of life and rules of a certain country, they should just leave, or not go there in the first place. on the other hand, it is also the duty of the law to take care of the foreigners in its country and not be unfair to them. it works both ways.

as i see it, you arent fighting islam, you are just fighting against the in-the-name-of-islam-extremists-and-extremist-leaders. so u arent against a religion, u r against those who portray a corrupted vision of a religion for personal benefits, or simply because they've misunderstood it.

so whats the problem?

2:41-42
3:71
5:41-42
8:8
10:60
10:69
many more ..

worse is the punishment for those who create their false piety over empires of fake and corrupted knowledge. and God of course knows the nature of man, for He created him. it is no surprise then that He mentions it in His scripture of what evil man is capable of! but we need to be more alert, more conscious, and more learned, in order to distinguish between laws, rules and decisions imposed upon us by our leaders, because we have also been given equal brain and equal sense to them. sadly, it's not the case.

iv said this before: if only muslims would understand that the west hasnt even let jesus alone. theyve turned him into a tongue-sticking rock-icon. how can muslims then expect such people to respect others who dont even respect themselves? and then i also came across vdo games with jesus in it .. and if m not wrong, it was a wrestling game!! and m not sure, but i wouldnt be surprised if he is also there in second-life. both sides are extremist. its wrong to say that its only the muslims. both need to seriously calm down!

258. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

I have been in a few Islamic countries of which are Iran and even Pakistan. I have seen the muslims there and they are amazingly friendly, helpful and hospitable. Eversince I have been studying Islam and the Koran because I couldn't believe that Islam is a religion of terror, intolerance and that they want to conquer the world (see 2:256 which states that there is no compulsion in religion) and concluded that the preconceptions about Islam are not true. Organisations like Al-Qaida and Taliban don't follow Islam properly and they can't be considered good muslims or can't be considered muslim at all.

I dear to say that Islam is harmless and peaceful. So even if it's not applied properly, you can't blame islam, blame the people who are not following it properly.

[ Edit: Edited on 28-Apr-2009, at 04:45 by wouterrr ]

259. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

I have been in a few Islamic countries of which are Iran and even Pakistan. I have seen the muslims there and they are amazingly friendly, helpful and hospitable. Eversince I have been studying Islam and the Koran because I couldn't believe that Islam is a religion of terror, intolerance and that they want to conquer the world (see 2:256 which states that there is no compulsion in religion) and concluded that the preconceptions about Islam are not true. Organisations like Al-Qaida and Taliban don't follow Islam properly and they can't be considered good muslims or can't be considered muslim at all.

I dear to say that Islam is harmless and peaceful. So even if it's not applied properly, you can't blame islam, blame the people who are not following it properly.

well kudos to you wouter! i wish more people *hint hint* would try and understand whats happening in the world. human psychology is a killer and in the modern world, seeing is NOT believing.

260. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting fuchsinrot

we get what ur problem is. and now uv admitted uv got insecurities.

Have you ever thought of getting professional help for your insecurity fetish?

There are degrees of insecurity

1) Financial Insecurity - economic crisis, recession, rising unemployment, retrenchment, mortgage payments, job security, etc, etc. Toxic Debt

2) World Insecurity - Pakistan (Failed Feudal State With Nukes), and the Taliban are 100 kms from the capital Islamabad. Toxic Islam

Slight difference in terms, but hey, who chose Napa over Swat in one of my previous posts?, and which toxic is your preferred poison?

This thread is about Geert Wilders democratic right to express an opinion about Islam (or anything else for that matter), so why don't you start a new thread?

Perhaps 'Pakistan - Creation to Talibanisation in 60 Years' or 'Jihad for Dummies' or, more aptly' 'Dummies for Jihad'

P.S. Who is 'WE'? Can't you do it on your own?

[ Edit: Edited on 28-Apr-2009, at 06:55 by wotthefiqh ]

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