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271. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Is the Netherlands ever going to put Geert on trial, or are the prosecutors going to handball the case like a live hand-grenade till the cows come home?
I've got a financial stake in this as I put 50 EUR into his defence fund six months ago and I want my money's worth.
What's going on

It's summer holiday in Holland;)

272. Posted by eroltoksoy (Full Member 173 posts) 7y

I' m an atheist living in a 99% muslim country . I hate any kind of right wing ideology it doenst matter if it comes from islamic origin or european race oriented or any other kind of fascist establishment.

I have not watched the movie but I folowed wilder's comment about islam and espically foreigners in holland. He is %100 true racist.

273. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting eroltoksoy

I' m an atheist living in a 99% muslim country . I hate any kind of right wing ideology it doenst matter if it comes from islamic origin or european race oriented or any other kind of fascist establishment.

I have not watched the movie but I folowed wilder's comment about islam and espically foreigners in holland. He is %100 true racist.

Well, you haven't read or heard things proparly then. Although, mind you, I am not a Wilders fan at all, based on what he says, you can not say he is 100% racist. Of course, you can have that opinion, no problem at all, but he really can not be called a racist. Former politican Janmaat could be called a racist though;)

274. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting eroltoksoy

Wilders is %100 true racist.

Islam is a race
It's about time someone hammered a wooden stake through the heart of that tired old slogan.
Bin Liner is an arab, shoe-bomber Richard Reid is the son of an English mother and Jamaican father, Taliban member John Walker Lindh captured in Afghanistan was a Yankee Catholic anglo, bombmaker Noordin Mohammed Top is Malaysian, Al-Qaeda spokesman Adam Yahiye Gadahn is an American with Jewish ancestry, Jack 'Jihad' Thomas and David Hicks are Anglo-Saxon australians and British-born australian Jack Roche converted to Islam, joined Jemaah Islamiah and was convicted of terrorism.
Could you please detail the racial similarities of these individuals, cause I can find only one common denominator that fits all.

On that note,
In Islamic theology, the purpose of Da‘wah is to invite non-Muslims to convert (or should that be revert) to Islam.
Changing your racial profile is fraught with danger if Michael Jackson is anything to go by.

275. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Bin Liner is an arab, shoe-bomber Richard Reid is the son of an English mother and Jamaican father, Taliban member John Walker Lindh captured in Afghanistan was a Yankee Catholic anglo, bombmaker Noordin Mohammed Top is Malaysian, Al-Qaeda spokesman Adam Yahiye Gadahn is an American with Jewish ancestry, Jack 'Jihad' Thomas and David Hicks are Anglo-Saxon australians and British-born australian Jack Roche converted to Islam, joined Jemaah Islamiah and was convicted of terrorism.

What do u want to prove by giving all such details?. but sure u did lot of research!!

On that note,
In Islamic theology, the purpose of Da‘wah is to invite non-Muslims to convert (or should that be revert) to Islam.

Here again you proved how well you twist words to drive your view. This defination has been copied from Wikipedia, but some words ommitted to reflect your view, the original entry on Wiki can be found here

276. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting arif_kool

What do u want to prove by giving all such details?

I'll have to agree with you, arif.

My reply to eroltoksoy was overkill when classifying Islam as a race and Wilders as a racist is such an obvious nonsense.

I must rein in my propensity for Aristotelian Da‘wah

Still, I'd be very interested in what dubious reasoning eroltoksoy can post to support his assertion, but I won't hold my breath.

[ Edit: Edited on 04-Aug-2009, at 22:16 by wotthefiqh ]

277. Posted by eroltoksoy (Full Member 173 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting arif_kool

What do u want to prove by giving all such details?

I'll have to agree with you, arif.

My reply to eroltoksoy was overkill when classifying Islam as a race and Wilders as a racist is such an obvious nonsense.

I must rein in my propensity for Aristotelian Da‘wah

Still, I'd be very interested in what dubious reasoning eroltoksoy can post to support his assertion, but I won't hold my breath.

so islam is not a race, it is a religion. and thats the only thing about Wilders subject ?

and attacking to a religion instead of a natioanality makes wilders not- racist in your book ?

why the hell do you think he is offending islam?

do you think that he would still attack to islamic values if he was raised in a muslim society such as egypt.

or did you ever think why did not wilderas made a movie abaout cruelties of christian ınquisition ?

why didnt he make a movie about child abuse cases in vatican ? or another wonderful movie about how Dutch soldiers let serbians to massacre 5000 bosnian male and rape thousands of female in Serebrenica?

I am dying to read your answers.

278. Posted by eroltoksoy (Full Member 173 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting eroltoksoy

Wilders is %100 true racist.

Islam is a race
It's about time someone hammered a wooden stake through the heart of that tired old slogan.
Bin Liner is an arab, shoe-bomber Richard Reid is the son of an English mother and Jamaican father, Taliban member John Walker Lindh captured in Afghanistan was a Yankee Catholic anglo, bombmaker Noordin Mohammed Top is Malaysian, Al-Qaeda spokesman Adam Yahiye Gadahn is an American with Jewish ancestry, Jack 'Jihad' Thomas and David Hicks are Anglo-Saxon australians and British-born australian Jack Roche converted to Islam, joined Jemaah Islamiah and was convicted of terrorism.
Could you please detail the racial similarities of these individuals, cause I can find only one common denominator that fits all.

On that note,
In Islamic theology, the purpose of Da‘wah is to invite non-Muslims to convert (or should that be revert) to Islam.
Changing your racial profile is fraught with danger if Michael Jackson is anything to go by.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

Political views

[edit] Political principles


  1. Reduction of the influence of the European Union, which may no longer be expanded with new member states, especially Turkey; the European Parliament will be abolished. Dutch financial contributions to the Union should be reduced by billions of euros.

  2. An immigration ban of five years for immigrants from non-western countries. Foreign residents no longer shall have the right to vote in municipal elections.

  3. A ban of five years on the founding of mosques and Islamic schools; a permanent ban on preaching in any other language but Dutch. Foreign imams will be forbidden to preach. Radical mosques will be closed; radical Muslims will be expelled

do these sound racist or what?

[ Edit: Edited on 05-Aug-2009, at 00:47 by eroltoksoy ]

279. Posted by eroltoksoy (Full Member 173 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting eroltoksoy

I' m an atheist living in a 99% muslim country . I hate any kind of right wing ideology it doenst matter if it comes from islamic origin or european race oriented or any other kind of fascist establishment.

I have not watched the movie but I folowed wilder's comment about islam and espically foreigners in holland. He is %100 true racist.

Well, you haven't read or heard things proparly then. Although, mind you, I am not a Wilders fan at all, based on what he says, you can not say he is 100% racist. Of course, you can have that opinion, no problem at all, but he really can not be called a racist. Former politican Janmaat could be called a racist though;)

well maybe there are some things lost in translation or I got wrong. But you called him extreme right wing. This is close to racism. Not every racist has to burn jews in camps or lynch african slaves. I have listed some of his political views which sound very anti-immigrant.

280. Posted by Buzzcock (Full Member 178 posts) 7y

Migration is primarily a spatial not a racial issue, never mind a 'cultural one. In a country with as high a population density as the Netherlands has, it is both rational and sensible to oppose any further immigration regardless of whether the immigrants come from former colonies or not. It is ecologically irresponsible to encourage any more people to settle in so small a country, which is heavily dependent on imports of food a fuel.

Incidentally England with a population of over fifty million people and a land mass of fifty thousand square miles now has a higher population density than the Netherlands, with the island of 'Great' Britain having a higher population density than Germany. According to this article Britain will overtake Germany in terms of total population by 2060. But then again unscrupulous employers and slum landlords will welcome the cheap labour and extra tenants.

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