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301. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

Quoting beerman

Calling for Death to Anything doesn't present a particularly strong case for Islam being peaceful, and we westerners hear no Muslim voices saying it is wrong. That would scare anybody.

Funny. I hear no American they are sorry for their terror in muslim countries. When you are an agressor you can expect someone to fight back.

302. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

Quoting Beerman

but what I think that wotthefiq is trying to get across (and I'm not trying to put words in his mouth - just my interpretation) is that westerners have some justifiably serious issues with portions of Islam that are considered, by most people in the world, to be horrifically barbaric and archaic.

Please name me a few things and give references the Qur'an.

Quoting Beerman

But there are similar activities occurring in the Muslim world (note that the "witches" were Muslim widows).

Qur'an 2:240
Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence. But if they [the widows] leave (the residence) there is no blame on you for what they justly do with themselves".

Muslim "witches"? It would be good for you to just give some reference before you write something silly. According to Qur'an verse 2:240 a man actually has to leave money for his wife after he died. You think he would do that to a "witch"?

Quoting Beerman

Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi? Or would they all start killing each other (as is happening right this minute) because their Prophet is the one true Prophet?

You think sunni, shia and sufi all have their own Prophet?

[ Edit: Edited on 21-Oct-2009, at 12:07 by wouterrr ]

303. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

Quoting wotthefiq

6) 'infidel' and 'kafir' are racial derogatory terms

Kafuru means "someone who covers", as in covering up the truth or ignoring it. You find that derogatory?

[ Edit: Edited on 21-Oct-2009, at 12:14 by wouterrr ]

304. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 6y

Quoting wouterrr

An extreme right politician (Geert Wilders) is about to publish an anti-Islam movie. The movie will take 15 minutes in total in which Wilders is trying to show that the Quran is a fascistic book which incites violence. He even wants to Quran to be banned in the Netherlands. He openly says that Islam is a retared religion and that the Dutch culture is superior (the Netherlands has integration problems of mostly Muslim immigrants - that is where it is all about). The movie will end with an image of Mohammed and something will happen to this image (he didnt say what will happen but I can guess).

Wilders says that the movie is ready and that it will be published in the Netherlands and on internet in March. Meanwhile there is happening a lot in the muslim world. Mass demonstrations in Indonesia, Sudan and Afghanistan. Dutch flags are burned. Some demonstrators scream death to the Dutch. Threats to boycot Dutch products in several Muslim countries if this movie will be broadcasted. Dutch travellers in Muslim countries might be target of terrorists (Indonesia, Egypt and Marocco are popular destinations for many Dutch). Taliban is threatening to target the Dutch militairy in Afghanistan (even more then now apparantly).

The problem is that these countries don't understand that this the opinion of one politician and not of the entire Dutch population. And because freedom of speech is the cradle of Dutch democracy, the Dutch parliament can't prohibit this movie (because it is not even clear what the content of this movie is). I sincerely hope he is not going to broadcast this movie because it is truly spreading hatred and it is very disrespectful. But at the other hand i think that (extreme) muslims shouldn't be so sensitive about this one man. They are exactly reacting the way he wants it. Namely burning flags and start death threatening to ALL Dutch (what better proof and confirmation of the movie can you give). But in the first place i think that any anti-religion campaign should not be showed. Religion is emotion and for many people the most important in life. Openly critizise religion is asking for trouble. A peaceful and respectful dialogue between sane people is much more useful.

I am interested in other peoples opinions. Thanks:).

Background info:
http://http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3094
http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7268618.stm

Wouterrr, you started this thread, and asked for opinions.

305. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

[/quote]Wouterrr, you started this thread, and asked for opinions.[/quote]

An opinion based on what?

306. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 6y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Calling for Death to Anything doesn't present a particularly strong case for Islam being peaceful, and we westerners hear no Muslim voices saying it is wrong. That would scare anybody.

Funny. I hear no American they are sorry for their terror in muslim countries. When you are an agressor you can expect someone to fight back.

Please clarify and define American terrorism, and that you have heard no protests about it.

307. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

Quoting beerman

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Calling for Death to Anything doesn't present a particularly strong case for Islam being peaceful, and we westerners hear no Muslim voices saying it is wrong. That would scare anybody.

Funny. I hear no American they are sorry for their terror in muslim countries. When you are an agressor you can expect someone to fight back.

Please clarify and define American terrorism, and that you have heard no protests about it.

You do know that Americans like to invade countries where they have interest, right? So what do i need to clarify?

308. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 6y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Beerman

but what I think that wotthefiq is trying to get across (and I'm not trying to put words in his mouth - just my interpretation) is that westerners have some justifiably serious issues with portions of Islam that are considered, by most people in the world, to be horrifically barbaric and archaic.

Please name me a few things and give references the Qur'an.

I'm not altogether certain that the Koran tells people to strap high explosives to their bodies, walk into a crowded school or market, and detonate the explosives.

Quoting Beerman

But there are similar activities occurring in the Muslim world (note that the "witches" were Muslim widows).

Qur'an 2:240
Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence. But if they [the widows] leave (the residence) there is no blame on you for what they justly do with themselves".

Muslim "witches"? It would be good for you to just give some reference before you write something silly. According to Qur'an verse 2:240 a man actually has to leave money for his wife after he died. You think he would do that to a "witch"?

I didn't say they were Muslim witches. I said they were Muslim widows...the Indian villagers called them witches.

Quoting Beerman

Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi? Or would they all start killing each other (as is happening right this minute) because their Prophet is the one true Prophet?

You think sunni, shia and sufi all have their own Prophet?

I didn't say that either, I was asking a question, but I have heard the various right wing factions claim that theirs is the one true God.

309. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 6y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Calling for Death to Anything doesn't present a particularly strong case for Islam being peaceful, and we westerners hear no Muslim voices saying it is wrong. That would scare anybody.

Funny. I hear no American they are sorry for their terror in muslim countries. When you are an agressor you can expect someone to fight back.

Please clarify and define American terrorism, and that you have heard no protests about it.

You do know that Americans like to invade countries where they have interest, right? So what do i need to clarify?

Thank you for lumping all Americans into the same mold....apparently, we're all the same......lust for vengeance, oil, blood. That's sarcasm. All Americans are sarcastic too. You're not getting the point wouterrr. There have been massive protests against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan here. I have yet to see one protest anywhere against suicide bombers killing people. So please get off your moral high horse. You asked for peoples opinions, and people are giving you their opinions. Unless we should be bringing up the history of Dutch Colonialism around the world......

310. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 6y

[quote=beerman]
I'm not altogether certain that the Koran tells people to strap high explosives to their bodies, walk into a crowded school or market, and detonate the explosives.[quote]

I was surprised to find out that it is not allowed for muslims to commit suicide. Then why to they detonate themselves and kill themselves and a lot of innocent people (the Qur'an says somewhere, "if you kill one man, you kill entire mankind")? Is there maybe another reason than religion? Why would a muslim say sorry for something he has nothing to do with? Do you consider a member of the klu klux clan a Christian? And would a normal Christian has to say sorry for him too? Isn't that ridiculous?

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