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81. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

Based on?

Based on what I think. Let's face it, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of young Mohammads willing to blow themselves and some infidels/pigs/christians up then go and fuck 76 virgins. All of this is good and is apparently what allah wants.

82. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

Based on?

Based on what I think. Let's face it, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of young Mohammads willing to blow themselves and some infidels/pigs/christians up then go and fuck 76 virgins. All of this is good and is apparently what allah wants.

Pssst, James......no one told them that the 76 virgins would be sheep!!!!!! Don't tell anyone!!!!!

83. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

Based on?

Based on what I think. Let's face it, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of young Mohammads willing to blow themselves and some infidels/pigs/christians up then go and fuck 76 virgins. All of this is good and is apparently what allah wants.

This is islamist behavior, i agree. But if you have been to islamic countries and you have talked to many muslims then you would know better. the 7 virgins tend to be grapes unfortunately. Islamists use teachings for their mental brainwashed followers to commit crimes like suicide killings. If you think that you go straight to heaven and 7 virgin women are waiting, i suppose its easier for them to blow themselves up. Islamists are mental freaks. They have nothing to do with Islam. Its pure politics.

[ Edit: Edited on May 2, 2008, at 3:45 PM by wouterrr ]

84. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

I'm curious what the young women, who sign up for being suicide bombers, expect to receive for their sacrifice. Men are told they will have 72 (or 76) virgins at their beck and call in heaven. Are the women given the same arrangement or are they just sheep?

As for the term "many" - anything over one person is one too many. (Just my opinion.)

85. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 8y

Quoting Isadora

As for the term "many" - anything over one person is one too many. (Just my opinion.)

as for the innocent deaths, I definately agree with that!

86. Posted by Yeah (Budding Member 67 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

How much? :)
Because statistics speaks against you. A 2007 survey done by John L. Esposito, professor at Georgetown University, and Dalia Mogahed, senior analyst of Gallup Center for Muslim Studies shows that 7% of muslims in 35 countries saw the 9/11 attacks as legitimate.(As a comparison, 6% of americans think attacks in which civilians are targeted are legitimate). The survey was the most comprehensive of its kind ever done and gives a pretty accurate result(+-3%).
The huge majority of muslims also said they would ensure the freedom of speach if they were to make a new constitution.

Its pretty amazing how little the west actually know about what muslims thinks and visa versa. For instance. A gallup found that 72% of americans thought the majority of muslims wouldnt support equal rights for men and women, while the vast majority in even the most conservative muslims countries answered that they think men and women should have the same legal rights(73% saudis and 89% iranians). The majority also thought women should have the right to work outside the home and the right to vote.

If someones is really interested in this i would recommend reading the book "who speaks for islam" by the authors i mentioned. It gives an interseting and complex insight in what the silent majority of muslims really thinks. The numbers above was some of the more positive results, but the book also adresses the more negative sides.

My opinion about the movie is that I thinks its incredible that Gert have to use lies and misquotes to critsise Islam when there is so many real problems you could critisise islam for.

87. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

I think it is about time we make sense of this TP head crash with a summary.
Please feel free to add to the following lists.

For Islam: Wouterrr

Against Islam: Whathefiqh, Beerman

88. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 8y

Quoting Yeah

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

How much? :)
Because statistics speaks against you. A 2007 survey done by John L. Esposito, professor at Georgetown University, and Dalia Mogahed, senior analyst of Gallup Center for Muslim Studies shows that 7% of muslims in 35 countries saw the 9/11 attacks as legitimate.(As a comparison, 6% of americans think attacks in which civilians are targeted are legitimate). The survey was the most comprehensive of its kind ever done and gives a pretty accurate result(+-3%).
The huge majority of muslims also said they would ensure the freedom of speach if they were to make a new constitution.

I'm talking about suicide bombings in general, not the events of 9/11. I reckon there'd be a vast majority of Palestinians that see the suicide bombings in Israel as being a legitimate tactic; wouldn't you?

Plus, any idiot can pull some stats from the internet and quote some study or other.

If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I actually couldn't care less either way.

89. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Plus, any idiot can pull some stats from the internet and quote some study or other.

If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I actually couldn't care less either way.

US attacks Iraq without a valid reason. Do you also see that side of the story? Why do you think they did that? because they are so compassioned with the poor iraqi's?

[ Edit: Edited on May 3, 2008, at 5:10 AM by wouterrr ]

90. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Based on what I think. Let's face it, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of young Mohammads willing to blow themselves and some infidels/pigs/christians up then go and fuck 76 virgins. All of this is good and is apparently what allah wants.

Even islamists (islamic terrorists/extremists) would not blow themselves up to kill christians (for being christians). Simply because they believe that christians believe in the same monotheistic god as them. killing a christian because he/she is a christan is against islam. same counts for jews. and here is a difficulty because of the current tension in the middle east. Islam respects the people of the torah and the bible (consult any respected islamic scholar and he will tell you the same). unfortunately islamists misinterpreted historic verses which are time-bound to justify terror againts jews in isreal. but lets face it....its not only palestina that is fighting. israel invaded their land in the first place. atleast that is how the palestianian people think, and i somewhat can understand. i dont dare to take a position about who is right here. because its a very difficult problem which probably never will be solved.

[ Edit: Edited on May 3, 2008, at 5:59 AM by wouterrr ]

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