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91. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Jeez--talk about light reading for a Saturday morning!

I don't totally get the Muslim religion. It feels repressive to me, especially as a woman. I live in an area of town with a lot of Moroccan and Algerian Muslims, and seeing the women out with their headscarves always makes me a little uncomfortable. But then again, I'm a Catholic with a religion that won't let women become priests, that's been controlled for 2,000+ years by a series of old men, that told Africans dying of AIDS that condoms are against God's will, that started the Crusades, etc. etc. etc.

I kind of think it's unfair to judge an individual person by their religion. There are as many religions in the world as there are people. Everyone forms their own beliefes, based on what rings true, which is based on personal experience, perhaps genetics, culture, family, past trauma, etc. etc. etc.

Should we put up with people hurting other people in the name of religion? Of course not. We didn't do it in WWII with one man declaring one race above all others. But I don't think batting around statistics and making assumptions and drawing a line in the sand is going to help anybody.

I agree with whoever said our leaders are the source of the problem. They have very clear, very self-obsessed agendas. They want to leave legacies, no matter the cost. Even here, in peace-loving Canada, out latest leader is undoing our reputation and turning the clock backwards (the latest with a proposed bill that's a slippery slope to making abortion illegal again). But that's a whole other story, for another day.

92. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

It is such a pity that Muslims and Christians cant come to terms with each other, though they have common roots in Abraham(PBUH).

The mixing of politics with religion has been the cause of much hatred between the two major communities. Common man in general is more concerned about his day-to-day living and seldom thinks about the communal divide. It is only a handful of people who inflame passion, misinterpreting religious texts and destroy the communal harmony.

I would cherish to see this world free from such disturbances and see all communities join together to tackle the various issues which are threatening the very existence of our planet

93. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Quoting arif_kool

It is such a pity that Muslims and Christians cant come to terms with each other, though they have common roots in Abraham(PBUH).

The mixing of politics with religion has been the cause of much hatred between the two major communities. Common man in general is more concerned about his day-to-day living and seldom thinks about the communal divide. It is only a handful of people who inflame passion, misinterpreting religious texts and destroy the communal harmony.

I would cherish to see this world free from such disturbances and see all communities join together to tackle the various issues which are threatening the very existence of our planet

If you have any influence, call Hamneggs in Tehran and tell him and his fellow Nazguls that Mcain and Hillary (PBUH) ain't bluffing.
Do they really want to join the Basij

94. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting arif_kool

It is such a pity that Muslims and Christians cant come to terms with each other, though they have common roots in Abraham(PBUH).

The mixing of politics with religion has been the cause of much hatred between the two major communities. Common man in general is more concerned about his day-to-day living and seldom thinks about the communal divide. It is only a handful of people who inflame passion, misinterpreting religious texts and destroy the communal harmony.

I would cherish to see this world free from such disturbances and see all communities join together to tackle the various issues which are threatening the very existence of our planet

If you have any influence, call Hamneggs in Tehran and tell him and his fellow Nazguls that Mcain and Hillary (PBUH) ain't bluffing.
Do they really want to join the Basij

Seems ur an ardent supporter of US attack on Iran I am afraid if Hillary know about ur commitment for the war, u can be called to lead the battle in Iran or Iraq. I believe ur prepared for that:)

But what will this war lead to? again a chain of suicide attacks, bombings, death of civilians. Is it going to help in any way?

95. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Quoting arif_kool

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting arif_kool

It is such a pity that Muslims and Christians cant come to terms with each other, though they have common roots in Abraham(PBUH).

The mixing of politics with religion has been the cause of much hatred between the two major communities. Common man in general is more concerned about his day-to-day living and seldom thinks about the communal divide. It is only a handful of people who inflame passion, misinterpreting religious texts and destroy the communal harmony.

I would cherish to see this world free from such disturbances and see all communities join together to tackle the various issues which are threatening the very existence of our planet

If you have any influence, call Hamneggs in Tehran and tell him and his fellow Nazguls that Mcain and Hillary (PBUH) ain't bluffing.
Do they really want to join the Basij

Seems ur an ardent supporter of US attack on Iran I am afraid if Hillary know about ur commitment for the war, u can be called to lead the battle in Iran or Iraq. I believe ur prepared for that:)

But what will this war lead to? again a chain of suicide attacks, bombings, death of civilians. Is it going to help in any way?

I have no problem whatsoever with 'hitting the mattresses'.

Mafia Term for WAR

[ Edit: Edited on May 3, 2008, at 8:31 AM by wotthefiqh ]

96. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

I think it is about time we make sense of this TP head crash with a summary.
Please feel free to add to the following lists.

For Islam: Wouterrr

Against Islam: Whathefiqh, Beerman

You missed my points Mel....I am not anti-Islam, I am anti-stupid bastards using religion from 2000 years ago as a justification to kill people.....they could possibly consider that this is the 21st century, and maybe humankind has changed a little. We evolve as humans, and religion should evolve as well.....Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism......they can't still preach like it's the past where women were traded for sheep and no one knew what was happening 100 miles away. This is a different world. The religious leaders can't bring back the horrors of the past to justify their actions today.

And what really boils my blood is when some religious leader "proclaims" that I have done them wrong, and his zealot moron followers believe him and start killing in the name of God. It's really no different than a movement here awhile back to provide reparations to African Americans for slavery in the 19th century. I was lumped into the boat of "having to apologize" for slavery. Why? I never owned slaves, I never agreed with it, my ancestors weren't even in America at the time. But I was lumped into a group. Silly, no?

I just pointed out that muslims appear to be doing most of the killing these days in the name of God. I never said ALL muslims, just some of them. As an apparent agnostic yourself, you should understand that. You've stated that Islam needs to change, to treat women better, etc.

Religion needs to start following some of the better points of their respective holy books. I know many religious people do, but the leaders seem to be corrupting the ideas. And no religious leader is going to tell me how I have to live or think.

97. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

For Islam on some days and against it on others: Isadora, Kombizz, Tway, Utrecht
Have I forgotten anybody?

98. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

For Islam on some days and against it on others: Isadora, Kombizz, Tway, Utrecht
Have I forgotten anybody?

You've forgotten at least one... In which catagory do you place yourself?

99. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

For Islam on some days and against it on others: Isadora, Kombizz, Tway, Utrecht
Have I forgotten anybody?

What about you Mel? Where do you fit in?

100. Posted by Yeah (Budding Member 67 posts) 8y

Quoting james

Quoting Yeah

Quoting james

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting beerman

Sorry Purdy, I'm just tired of "Muslim sensitivity", when many of them are busy strapping on explosive vests to kill their own people.

Many of them? What percentage of all muslims do you think do this? Does "many" means more then 50%?

I'd put money on more than 50% of muslims seeing suicide bombing as being a legitimate tactic.

How much? :)
Because statistics speaks against you. A 2007 survey done by John L. Esposito, professor at Georgetown University, and Dalia Mogahed, senior analyst of Gallup Center for Muslim Studies shows that 7% of muslims in 35 countries saw the 9/11 attacks as legitimate.(As a comparison, 6% of americans think attacks in which civilians are targeted are legitimate). The survey was the most comprehensive of its kind ever done and gives a pretty accurate result(+-3%).
The huge majority of muslims also said they would ensure the freedom of speach if they were to make a new constitution.

I'm talking about suicide bombings in general, not the events of 9/11. I reckon there'd be a vast majority of Palestinians that see the suicide bombings in Israel as being a legitimate tactic; wouldn't you?

Plus, any idiot can pull some stats from the internet and quote some study or other.

If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I actually couldn't care less either way.

Im not not pulling some random statistic of the internet, but the most comprehensive scientific study done in this field. To put it off as just another statistic without even looking into it would be... extremly ignorant.

And yes, i have nothing to back the claim with, but i guess its a fair assumption that the number of palestinians supporting terrorist attacks on israel is higher than the rest of the muslim world. But its a huge jump from that to saying the majority of muslims support suicide bombings, as you did. I dont have all the numers, but in iran 2% see attacks on civilians as legitimate, in lebanon its 4%. But i guess statistics are not as reliable as your presumptions.

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