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1. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

I've just added a new taglet to the home page which when added (it's called 'My Wiki Changes') shows your last 10 changes to the wiki. It should show up in the list when you click the 'Add Content' link at the top of the page (logged in users only).

Along similar lines, although MUCH more noticable, I've also included the last 10 changes to the wiki on each members profile page. I know I've missed this a few times, so assume others might have as well. Also makes moderating the wiki slightly easier :)

There's now also a character count (total of characters a member has added to the wiki) included on the profile pages alongside the activity in other areas of the site, but I'm not sure if that'll stay there in exactly the same format as it's not really the best measure I think... maybe it will include an edit count rather than a character count. Either way it's just intended as a rough guide to someone's activity on the site and like all the others listed there it's NOT a measure of the quality of the content contributed.

Let me know what you think. And yes, the member profile page needs a redesign. It's getting too cluttered...

2. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 8y

Perfect regarding the last 10 changes.

Regarding the number of character/edits, I would say that if you want to show the real contribution the character count is better (although for example divided by 1000 would be better, because I know of people who are probably over a million at least). An edit count is rather tricky, as I can choose to edit 100 times something instead of 1 edit and do exactly the same.

I believe when applying a template, the character count does not count the standard template as well? As that would be a bit strange to say the least.

But it's good to have some competition, but in a slighty informal way. No need to start the whole travelguru blabla thing again. That's a fine one with me as well in the current situation or if there weren't any differences it was fine with me as well. But that's a side thing, off topic here

Edit: o by the way, sometimes I or someone else deletes stuff, either because for example a country in a project is done or someone else's text is not good enough or so, is that withdrawn from the character count?

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 12, 2008, at 7:33 AM by Utrecht ]

3. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

Divided by a certain number is probably a good idea. That's how it's done in the calculation as part of the member titles-so it is, and has been for a while, taken into account there too. I think applying a template is actually part of the character count. Negative character counts shouldn't but coming to think of it, they might be! Better check that :)

4. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4833 posts) 8y

Quoting Sam I Am

I think applying a template is actually part of the character count. Negative character counts shouldn't but coming to think of it, they might be! Better check that :)

They indeed count, at least for the count on the profile page. I've made very few edits total, so it's really easy to see in my profile.
I have added 99 characters, but I've also removed 38 characters, and so the count in my profile is 61.

How do you count for the rankings, btw? Look all characters in the entry as it exists "at present", and then see which member each character originated with? Otherwise, what you should watch out for after the negative characters fix is someone adding +10000 characters, deleting them all (no effect), adding back another +10000 characters, etc.

I'm also idly wondering if forum posts should start to be counted by character as well to pull it all even. And if not, then why exactly do these things differ? Forum posts and guide articles hae a different target audience, but often a long forum post can be just as valuable as a long guide entry (and much more so for the specific person the forum entry was directed at).
Don't really have a point with that - just wondering if it's something you've thought about.

5. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 8y

Currently the wiki contributions are by character (divided by 1000 to create roughly the equivalent of a single forum post). Negative contributions are not counted at all.

Come to think of it, another way we could calculate it is based on the percentage score that each guide contributor gets. That is far less susceptible to problems with reverted changes and also handily doesn't include the headings in the score, so is considerably more fair. The totals are already stored anyway, so it would make a lot of sense to use that.

Fair point about the forums though. I guess the forums do have the added benefit of getting extra value from the voting that can happen, so there is a way to make long, useful posts count for more than the small ones. The only problem is that we don't use that forum scoring anywhere that people can see.

I do have another idea in this regard - namely the possibility to take a clipping of posts to store somewhere for quicker access. It would make sense to score posts higher if they have been clipped more often.

6. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4833 posts) 8y

Quoting Peter

Come to think of it, another way we could calculate it is based on the percentage score that each guide contributor gets. That is far less susceptible to problems with reverted changes and also handily doesn't include the headings in the score, so is considerably more fair. The totals are already stored anyway, so it would make a lot of sense to use that.

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe with a mild multiplier (1-3x, spread out in a logarithmic way) based on the total length of the entry, so that long entries still do count for more than short entries.

7. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 8y

Quoting Peter

Come to think of it, another way we could calculate it is based on the percentage score that each guide contributor gets. That is far less susceptible to problems with reverted changes and also handily doesn't include the headings in the score, so is considerably more fair. The totals are already stored anyway, so it would make a lot of sense to use that.

Or we use an index, with you being 100%, as you have the highest amount of characters

8. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 8y

Quoting Peter

Currently the wiki contributions are by character (divided by 1000 to create roughly the equivalent of a single forum post). Negative contributions are not counted at all

Uhm, not that it bothers me that much, but they still are counted. Just checked it. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 26, 2008, at 6:37 AM by Utrecht ]

9. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Peter

Currently the wiki contributions are by character (divided by 1000 to create roughly the equivalent of a single forum post). Negative contributions are not counted at all

Uhm, not that it bothers me that much, but they still are counted. Just checked it. ;)

I was actually referring to them counting towards membership status rather than being counted on the member profile page. Not filtering out tabs, spaces, etc.. at the moment though. I guess that could be a potential improvement :)

10. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 8y

Quoting Peter

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Peter

Currently the wiki contributions are by character (divided by 1000 to create roughly the equivalent of a single forum post). Negative contributions are not counted at all

Uhm, not that it bothers me that much, but they still are counted. Just checked it. ;)

I was actually referring to them counting towards membership status rather than being counted on the member profile page. Not filtering out tabs, spaces, etc.. at the moment though. I guess that could be a potential improvement :)

Ok, get it...finally;)
You can count things in many different ways, doesn't really matter actually. The thing is that it is actually fun. But although there is still a lot of work to do, sometimes I run out of inspiration. I was thinking about adding another project like sights and activities on the country pages? Of course you can check it by country as well I know, but it would be an option