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Berlin public transport on strike - change of travel plans?

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1. Posted by steff (Travel Guru 1160 posts) 8y

Hi everyone,

The public transport in Berlin is on strike at the moment and no metro, tramways and regular busses are running for an indefinite amount of time. I have been affected by this everyday for more than a week now, and I'm starting to wonder whether fewer tourists come to the city because of the situation. Do you travelers change your plans if such a thing occurs or does it not bother you, if you can't really get around at the place you visit?
Personally, I can see their point for going on strike and use my bike most of the time now, but because Berlin is huge it is really hard to get to some places (e.g. the airports) unless you have an endless amount of time or catch a cab which is rather expensive. That is some of the reasons why I'm slowly starting to lose my patience. What is your opinion? Do you think it is fair to go on strike for a non-restricted time period to achieve what you want?

Steff
(Who at least can say she's getting fit for summer, because she bikes around town ;))

2. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Hello Steff :)

I live in Munich and have done quite a lot of travelling in the last year to Hamburg, Berlin and other cities in Europe and outside. The strikes have been a real pain in the a**.
I never know if I will be stuck some place for a few hours or will have to sqush myself into an overcrowded S-bahn because they are running a minimal service. One time I had to take a taxi from my house to the next U-bahn station because all the S-bahns were on strike. :( It does not stop me travelling because I usually have bought my plane and train ticket well in advance.

But the pay rise for the public transport staff has been approved. Why cant they just give it to them instead of finding excuses to delay it?? I certainly sympathise with the public transport staff and am annoyed that they cant just have the raise they were promised without all the complications that are being created. I worry that if the transport staff consider us and dont strike then they will never get the raise. :(

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 14, 2008, at 1:03 AM by Mel. ]

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Strikes are totally unacceptable when hitting people who can't help the fact that the striker only has had moderate education and now faces low wages compared to people who just are better and smarter. The police in holland is good example. They start there 'education' when they are like 18 or so and then start working a year later and when they are like 30 or so they see: hey, that guy who had no money as a student when he was 21 is getting richer than me
And they complain about responsibilities and hostility of people while doing their jobs. While actually they are just stupid rulefags who absolutely have no idea how to deal with people on the streets. And believe me, in my job I deal with those crackers on a weekly basis. Really, they do nothing all day. Just like me, but hey, I have internet during my job because I studied Basically every job has some sort of salary which in general just has to do with either working very very hard for example having your own company or being just smart and good in your job.
Sorry for generalising though, I know this is not the whole truth exactly, but strikes...no thanks, I like me job better than doing nothing or walking the streets showing 'we want more money' on my shirt;)

4. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Government workers are rumoured to be a bit on the thick side too.
It is apparently a job for the lazy and unambitious. Not my personal opinion of course. I just heard a rumour. ;)
What did u say u do for a living Utrecht?

But the problem is not what the workers are actually being payed. The problem is that the managers give themselves huge raises and then say they cant afford to give the employees decent raises. Unfortunately things wont stay fair for long if people dont fight for their rights. Even more unfortunately strikes are the only way to get the attention of the public. How many of us would bother to make a complaint on the train drivers behalf if our own lives are not disrupted in some way. Sad but true. Most of us do not give a toss about what is happening to others in our society.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 14, 2008, at 5:14 AM by Mel. ]

5. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

Government workers are rumoured to be a bit on the thick side too.
It is apparently a job for the lazy and unambitious. Not my personal opinion of course. I just heard a rumour. ;)
What did u say u do for a living Utrecht?

But the problem is not what the workers are actually being payed. The problem is that the managers give themselves huge raises and then say they cant afford to give the employees decent raises. Unfortunately things wont stay fair for long if people dont fight for their rights. Even more unfortunately strikes are the only way to get the attention of the public. How many of us would bother to make a complaint on the train drivers behalf if our own lives are not disrupted in some way. Sad but true. Most of us do not give a toss about what is happening to others in our society.

Yeah, I know, government workers are looked upon in a rather minor way. Oh well, from the inside I can say that it's partly true (I am typing this at work after all).
But, in my job I can choose for government or socalled advise companies. The latter advises government (or others) but basically they don't see any of their work put into practice on the streets. I do. They also have only 4 weeks of holiday a year and until the age of let's say 35 you really are paid way to less. And then you get the chance of driving the same car as all of your colleagues do...some small red french car similar to the city of Reno in Nevada.

The manager versus regular employees thing is not really a case in the police example I gave. They just want more money Although a bit more money for me is always welcome, if I look at my education, the job and type of job I got (ability to think instead of do) compared to what I earn, I am perfectly fine. With of course the normal inflational salary increases, otherwise I would still earn the absolute same in 10 years, meaning lack of possible travelling;)

So, your boyfriend provides money for you, wasn't it

6. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting Utrecht

So, your boyfriend provides money for you, wasn't it

What an ignorant(for want of a word that those who are policing TP would not understand)way to describe our shared money. ;)
U are just bitching because I get more internet surfing time than even government workers like u.

7. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

[quote=Utrecht]

U are just bitching because I get more internet surfing time than even government workers like u.

I doubt it...it's close

8. Posted by steff (Travel Guru 1160 posts) 8y

Thanks for your quite amusing conversation guys, but to get back to my initial concern a friend of mine forwarded this to me today. Not only tourism suffers from the strike, but more importantly (little) shops and business that can only be accessed by public transport are struggling to survive. I no longer have sympathy for the strike, since workers want to be considered and paid more money yet (as Mel aptly stated) not give a toss about what is happening to others in our society.