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1. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 8y

I do support the Tibetan people in pushing for independence, and I don't think the Chinese administration has treated the Tibetan people well.

However, something troubles me slightly about self-declarations of independence. What gives the administration of an area a right to self-declare? I'm not convinced that Kosovo, for example, an area that is historically more Serbian than it is Albanian, should automatically be allowed to declare independence. Should Cornwall, Tasmania and Alaska become independent too?

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 28, 2008, at 11:58 PM by magykal1 ]

2. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

You're at the crux of the Quebec separation debate. What makes a people--language, colour, religion, culture, geography? And who has the right to cecede--50% + 1, 60%, 90%? It's a neverending debate.

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 8y

Most boundaries in the world (not all I admit) are political boundaries. Therefore, it basically is nothing more than politics and the occasional natural boundary like a river or so.

4. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 8y

Quoting magykal1

I do support the Tibetan people in pushing for independence, and I don't think the Chinese administration has treated the Tibetan people well.

However, something troubles me slightly about self-declarations of independence. What gives the administration of an area a right to self-declare? I'm not convinced that Kosovo, for example, an area that is historically more Serbian than it is Albanian, should automatically be allowed to declare independence. Should Cornwall, Tasmania and Alaska become independent too?

Do you reckon Scotland, Ireland and Wales should be separated from the the UK?
Sometimes, I wonder?

5. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting kombizz

Do you reckon Scotland, Ireland and Wales should be separated from the the UK?
Sometimes, I wonder?

Only Northern Ireland, not all of Ireland, is still part of the UK.

Honestly--it's all such an endless debate. It's been part of our politics here my whole life. Sometimes it feels like some people stake their identity on being against something else. I wonder what would happen if suddenly, after decades/centuries/generations or fighting for independence, they actually achieved it. Then what? Their entire reason for being, for fighting--their entire identity--is now non existent. I don't think you can say "ah, that's better" and get on with your life. The anger and fight is part of you. It's just going to be directed somewhere else.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 2, 2008, at 8:49 AM by tway ]

6. Posted by Buttfish (Respected Member 298 posts) 8y

it doesn't matter what anyone thinks anymore, since it's all in the hands of the governments. they have their own agenda...and their own ways of fulfilling it. it seems something just short of a full-on war would help change things sometimes. :( but i agree.

7. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 8y

"Declare Independence" by Bjork is a great tune.

8. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 8y

Quoting tway

I wonder what would happen if suddenly, after decades/centuries/generations or fighting for independence, they actually achieved it. Then what? Their entire reason for being, for fighting--their entire identity--is now non existent. I don't think you can say "ah, that's better" and get on with your life. The anger and fight is part of you. It's just going to be directed somewhere else.

I think that was what happened to Mao after WWII, fighting the Japanese and consolidating the People's Republic of China. Millions died in China due to his complete lack of ability to govern a peaceful nation. It took decades for the country to recover. It wasn't until a leader capable of governing the nation in its new state took power that the country was able to recover and the economic reforms began that lead to the rise of China as a true global power. Unfortunately, there's still a lot of bad historical blood that China needs to live down.

As with all these things, the expression of anger in the Tibetan people will lead inevitably to anger in the Chinese people.

9. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 8y

Quoting magykal1

I don't think the Chinese administration has treated the Tibetan people well.

That is the main reason why Tibetans need independence.

Out of interest, what exactly would be your objection to cornwall, Alaska etc declaring independence?

Mel

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 16, 2008, at 1:44 AM by Mel. ]

10. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 8y

Quoting Mel.

what exactly would be your objection to cornwall declaring independence?

Mel

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