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1. Posted by Dodger (Respected Member, 860 posts) 8 Apr '08 13:55

Looks like I burnt through my allotment of 25mg already! Im guessing that even though the size of the pictures in my photo album arnt the full size Travellerspoint doesnt re size them and they are loading up at full res, correct?

I tried deleting some of the pictures, to re size, but it doesnt bring my allowance down any. How come?

Would it be possible when loading pictures to have a feature that asks what size you want to load at, so we dont have to re size everything before loading them?

Also on the blog page, be nice to be able to click on the picture for the full size, instead of having to go back through to someones album to get the larger size. Would make reading blogs a lot more interesting, since most people are only interested in pics anyway!

2. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4280 posts) 8 Apr '08 14:11

Quoting Dodger

Looks like I burnt through my allotment of 25mg already! Im guessing that even though the size of the pictures in my photo album arnt the full size Travellerspoint doesnt re size them and they are loading up at full res, correct?

Correct. A website has no control over your computer, so it can only resize photos once they've arrived on the server. (We do keep the original size version of your photos for backup purposes; you can access these through your private photo gallery. (The "Download Original" link.))

I tried deleting some of the pictures, to re size, but it doesnt bring my allowance down any. How come?

Because what is measured is used bandwidth per month, not used storage. It's the act of uploading which is measured, not storing the photos afterward. (Bandwidth is what costs real money for a site like travellerspoint; storage is relative cheap, and a one time cost.) On the positive side, this means that starting on the first of May, you'll have a new 25 MB of bandwidth to use. (You're also likely to be close to becoming a "Full Member" rather than a "Budding Member", which will give you an upgrade to 100MB of bandwidth per month.)

Would it be possible when loading pictures to have a feature that asks what size you want to load at, so we dont have to re size everything before loading them?

This is technically impossible. You send a file. Only when the file has been received can we see that it's a photo which we can resize. (The resizing is done mostly for convenience, for cases where people don't have easy access to an image editing program; in general, it's recommended that you do it yourself, though.)

Also on the blog page, be nice to be able to click on the picture for the full size, instead of having to go back through to someones album to get the larger size. Would make reading blogs a lot more interesting, since most people are only interested in pics anyway!

Yeah, that'd be good. I'm pretty certain this is on the todo list. At the moment, you can do it yourself by finding the URL of the full-size version, and wrapping a url tag for that URL around the img tag - but that's a lot of hassle...

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 8, 2008, at 2:22 PM by Sander ]

3. Posted by Hien (Moderator, 3906 posts) 8 Apr '08 14:28

When you upload a photo, the system checks the size of the photo and then make 4 copies icates of the same one but of different sizes; 75x75 (XS, also the thumbnails used), 200x150 (S), 400x300 (M), 800x600 (L). The final height may be different as it's resized proportionately. The width will remain constant at those bold figures.

The monthly quota that you get is a bandwidth quota, not a disk space quota. If you've uploaded 25MB of photos, that means you've used 25MB worth of bandwidth. It doesn't reduce it if you delete any or all of your photos. So if you've reached the maximum, wait until next month for it to reset to zero.

To optimise the use of your bandwidth, resize your photo before uploading. The perfect size would be 800x600 or 800x533 for some cameras, as it's proportionate. Why this size? The biggest size the gallery will show is L (800x600) so there's no point uploading anything bigger than that. An 800x600 photo has a file size of about 150-200KB so you get to upload at least 125 photos with a 25MB bandwidth. :)

4. Posted by Hien (Moderator, 3906 posts) 8 Apr '08 14:33

Oops! Too slow. Didn't check for replies when I previewed mine.

5. Posted by jl98584 (Travel Guru, 114 posts) 9 Apr '08 14:30

I wish TP was more upfront about this - I also burned through my monthly upload limit the first month before I realized what was going on.

There is more then one solution to this. I'm currently trying to write up some instructions for my family to help them get started blogging here using one or two methods that have worked for me. This is a work in progress - trying to figure out some alternatives since I think this process is too complex for some. Storing your photo's on Flickr is another option, but the method I initially used has changed, so I'm trying to figure it out again...

Now that you know the problem is the file size for your photo's on the PC, you may already know how to solve it. If not, see if this helps. (Be nice, I'm still rewriting it...)

How to Upload Photos

6. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4280 posts) 9 Apr '08 14:55

Quoting jl98584

I wish TP was more upfront about this - I also burned through my monthly upload limit the first month before I realized what was going on.

Do you have suggestions for how we could be more clear in explaining this limit? (Without resorting to a long paragraph of text, which most users will skip reading?)

Right now, the upload form has a rather big block in the upper right corner, stating "You have used 0 % of your monthly upload capacity of of 25 Mb", and that updates with each photo you upload (so you can see what the effect of uploading previous photos was), plus the color of the percentage changes when you get close to the 100%.

Is the wording in that block not clear? Is its location wrong, making the block something you just skip over? ...?
If you can tell why it didn't get noticed by you before, that's something that we'd honestly like to hear - it's really hard to communicate such information effectively, and we ourselves are too close to the website - knowing how it all works - so it's hard to imagine ourselves in the shoes of people who use everything for the first time.

7. Posted by jl98584 (Travel Guru, 114 posts) 9 Apr '08 15:15

Hmm, this is always a struggle figuring out how to communicate such things, especially of a technical nature. Will give it some thought and get back to you.

In the meantime, I figured out my problem with Flickr - it wasn't that they changed anything, just that I forgot how I'd done it before. In an effort to assist my technically challenged friends (but who nevertheless do use Flickr already), I tried writing up the instructions. Had to insert a print screen however, when I tried to show them to type the brackets in the text, TP tried to intepret it as html and didn't display the text, just a partial and incorrect photo. So anyway - here's my instructions for inserting a photo from Flickr into a Travellerspoint blog entry:

http://jcircle.travellerspoint.com/5/

If there's an easier way to get instructions to technophobic users, please let me know. I hate to waste my time writing this stuff up if it's already out there. However, when I went to the TP blog on photography - it was pages and pages of how to take great pictures - nothing quick and simple about how to post it in the blog! (Techie users can figure it out on their own, I'm trying to help some technically challenged friends who are afraid to try these things but otherwise have great pictures they can share). Am I wasting my time? Is there already some new user help available out here somewhere?

8. Posted by jl98584 (Travel Guru, 114 posts) 9 Apr '08 15:43

Here's an idea regarding alerting new users to the bandwidth constraints?

On the bulk upload screen (maybe also the single photo screen) - In or under the box showing how much bandwidth you've used - put a link to a help page specific to this issue. There is information is buried in the FAQ, but it's hard to understand what the problem is or ways to avoid it from that little blurb. Also, if you don't bother to click on the FAQ at the bottom of the page, you'll never see it.

You're correct, that too much verbage puts people to sleep and they may not read it. However, some people do try to figure out the best way to do things and a well written help topic (a page or less) can save them a lot of time.

http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/106532/TP_-_Photo..gestion.jpg

On my sample, I wrote "Suggestions for beginners", but I think "Hints for new users" might sound better. In any case, it would be better if the user was aware of the issue before they try uploading a couple of photo's and are all of a sudden at 90%!

I'm still rewriting my own help screen for this for my users, but I think it can be laid out a little more clearly than in the FAQ (especially to describe some of ways to avoid the problem).

9. Posted by Peter (Admin, 5356 posts) 10 Apr '08 18:00

Wow, some great articles there. Definitely worthwhile for a broader audience, as these are pretty common issues for new users. I wonder if they would be worth putting into the Travel Guide (it's also used for several site specific articles like this)? Then others could edit it with more information or improve it in other ways as well. And we could use that as a permanent reference.

Good job in any case - I know I'll be pointing some people to those write-ups! :)

10. Posted by jl98584 (Travel Guru, 114 posts) 10 Apr '08 19:21

I haven't gotten into the Travel Guide much yet, I was just way too overloaded during the RV trip. Usually I'd drive 3 to 5 hours per day, sightsee 3 to 5 hours, then have to update my travel blog until late into the night (if I had a signal of course). I've been back a week now, and am still several days behind. Maybe I'll get the last blog finished before I take another trip (ho, ho).

Well, I'm back and not as overloaded, so other than unpacking, doing taxes, and maybe looking for a job... I'll try to find time to learn more about some of the TP features that always looked interesting but that I didn't have time for during the trip (like the travel guide?)

Would this type of info be better under the Travel Guide or under Tools? I always try to get help in things like Help or Tools, but maybe that's just me.

Also is there an easier way to include screen shots than imbedding images? It's kind of tediuos to take a screen shot, edit it (to crop just the section I want), then upload, then edit the img info, then insert like a photo. Once I've got a screen shot edited the way I want it, it would be so much easier if I could just paste it in...