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A little more than 90 days? Visa question.

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1. Posted by popolina (Budding Member 53 posts) 8y

To start of my gap year I am planning to visit a friend in Bern for two weeks, afterwards I will go an stay with a friend in Naples for a month then I'll be volunteering at the film festival in Milan.

I'm planning on studying at a language school in Rome to legally extend my stay in Europe (and perfect my language skills obviously) however I am thinking I should utilize October without paying for school as it is still part of my 90 day tourist visa.
I'd really like to see Spain but some hostel jobs I have seen require a stay of 2 months or more.
My first question is what does Spain do if I extend my stay 1 month and my second question is what does Switzerland do when I fly into there country with the return ticket 6/7 months in the future? Even with a student visa will they still notice my 4 months? Is is easily fixed by saying I am spending more time in Switzerland, returning, etc?

Thanks for any input. I am aware of the law and am not trying to be a freeloader in any way (I'd be working in exchange for board)...

2. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 8y

I read your post three times, but I really don't understand what it is that you want to know. Could you give us a clear statement of when you want to be where, and how long for?

3. Posted by jaxstar84 (Respected Member 415 posts) 8y

yeah make it clear with dates/months so we can get it.
were simple folk here :P

i dunno what they do if you overstay your visa tho... a few days proly doesnt matter, but months, prolly does. might fine you and not let you back in europe for XX amt of time, or ever.

4. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 8y

I'd really like to see Spain but some hostel jobs I have seen require a stay of 2 months or more. ... I am aware of the law and am not trying to be a freeloader in any way (I'd be working in exchange for board)...

No, I don't think you are quite aware of the law. Working in exchange for board is a legal grey area. The most problems stem from the insufficient insurance cover. Have an accident (like tripping on the stairs and breaking your leg) and it might all blow up in your face.

Let me explain how it is in Germany (the Spanish system is similar): A hostel that would be doing it 110 % legal would employ you on the basis of an unpaid internship. They would arrange for a work permit for you and pay insurance fees into the German social security system. The fees would be around 150 EUR per month. You wouldn't see anything of these 150 EUR, but the money would be paid on your behalf - health insurance, accident coverage, pension system, etc.

Now since these 150 EUR per month can be quite a chunk of money many hostels don't bother paying them. This is fine with most EU citizens, since they are legally allowed to work and are fully covered by their insurance anyway. If something happens they are being cared for by the taxpayers, bc they cannot be held responsible that they employer was a fraud and didn't pay the legally required insurance fees.

For you however this is bad news - you are not allowed work or to recieve social benefits (such as accident coverage) at all. Your travel insurance (the one you need to get for your Italian residency permit) will not cover working in Spain. And not having valid insurance will make your residency permit for Italy null and void. In a worst case scenario you could be lying on your back in a Spanish hospital with a lawsuit at your throat, some steep medical bills to cover your care (5-digit, EUR) and the Spanish authorities coming after you for working illegally. You could kiss your language lessons in Italy and your residency permit bye-bye. And no, you would not get another for Italy or Spain. Not for a couple of years at least.

Think hard about the potential risks before you do it.

My first question is what does Spain do if I extend my stay 1 month

Nothing, because if you already got the valid residency permit for Italy in your passport (Schengen D visa issued by the Italian consulate/embassy in the USA before you leave) you can travel around Europe as much as you like on this document. Legally you are only allowed 90 days out of 180 for all the other Schengen countries except Italy while the residency permit is valid. But in practise this is hard to control, so the Spanish wouldn't mind too much.

I am thinking I should utilize October without paying for school as it is still part of my 90 day tourist visa

You are hopefully aware that you can get a residency permit for Italy or Spain without paying for school? Yeah, the embassy asks about your finances. But this is only sensible as you'll need the amount they ask you to show to cover your expenses without working.

what does Switzerland do when I fly into there country with the return ticket 6/7 months in the future

Again nothing, as long as you got the Italian residency permit, a good explanation of what you intend to do during those 6/7 months as well as can prove that you have enough money for living 6/7 months in Europe. (10,000 USD in your bank account should do the trick, provided the USD doesn't fall any further.)

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