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My second trip far away from Quebec : France-Italy

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11. Posted by spongehead (Full Member 119 posts) 8y

Woah t_maia, you must be an early bird....it's only 8.30am in Germany at time of writing isn't it? :)

12. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 8y

More like a very very late bird. ;)

Got an assignment to finish that was due last week already. German laws of employment and immigration. Utterly boring, I can think of thousand things that I would rather do. (Hanging out at TP is one of them.)

13. Posted by spongehead (Full Member 119 posts) 8y

Speaking of German immigration laws, what's the gist like? Is it an open-arms approach or is it protective? When I was in Germany (Heidelberg) last year, it felt less cosmopolitan than other European cities.

14. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 8y

Just as restrictive as Italian, French, etc.

Exception: certain nationalities like US-citizens, Canadians, Kiwis, Aussies and Japanese are privileged. They can come to Germany on 90 days visa-free stay, apply for a residency permit, look for a job and then try to get a work permit to go with the job. Works quite well when you hold a bachelor or masters degree or have some other special skills that are not easily found in the streets in Germany.

Heidelberg is a special case. First bc of the stationing of the US Armed Forces there. The base there is huge compared to the city. Second Heidelberg is essentially a rural town in Baden-W├╝rttemberg, which is the German bible belt. It is an absolute far cry from Berlin, Cologne or Hamburg.

[ Edit: Edited on May 16, 2008, at 1:25 AM by t_maia ]

15. Posted by ABHPage (Budding Member 6 posts) 8y

Now t_maia you've put some light at the end of the tunnel for me. I did read the page about the visas, but I didn't see the part where my dad could say I'd use his 3000 $! And no, I haven't built shit at all with my dad, I always pay him back what I owe him, and in the past it's sometimes been the other way around, so I'll definately look into that and then I could do as you suggested, 3 months Italy, then WHV in France.

As for the bicycle thing, I was more thinking of buying some crap shit bike in a flee market and running it until it breaks and I leave it anywhere. I've often bought bikes for 20 $ here that I've rode a few months before they broke down. But I think I'd rather walk and get a few rides hitchhiking on the way.

Even 25 $ a day for food seems pretty high to me. I don't even spend that much over here, and I eat 5-8 meals a day consisting mostly of ground meat, rice and vegetables.

I do have a super-light tent already, and then I'll go to wal-mart buy a sleeping bag for around 30 $. THat's not a problem. I have all my clothes of course, and some of my gear left from my trip in Alberta. I even have a kind of super light and small propane thing to heat up food in a pot.

So, that means, I'd have to take a plane ticket directly to Italy so I don't start my WHV in France too early, then I could stay 90 days there without munching my WHV time, and then the day I enter France the WHV would start ? Did I understand well enough ?

16. Posted by ABHPage (Budding Member 6 posts) 8y

By the way, what are Kiwis ??

17. Posted by spongehead (Full Member 119 posts) 8y

Quoting ABHPage

By the way, what are Kiwis ??

Kiwis refer to the people of New Zealand (though more appropriately, they're actually a kind of flightless bird native to NZ). I believe it's also the name of a fruit, no? It's an affectionate way of addressing New Zealanders.

18. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 8y

Even 25 $ a day for food seems pretty high to me. I don't even spend that much over here, and I eat 5-8 meals a day consisting mostly of ground meat, rice and vegetables.

It is not just food, but also other stuff. You should budget around 5-7 EUR per day for food. The rest of the money goes elsewhere. For example: if you are on the road you need to wash once a while. The best/cheapest way to go about that is to pay for entry to a public bath or swimming pool. (Sorry, very few clean lakes and rivers in Italy.) Also you need to give your clothes a whirl in the washing maschine once in a while, this costs money too. Another problem: You are not allowed to camp wild in Italy. If you do and get caught, you get to spent the night at the police station in a holding cell. One way to avoid that is to ask locals whether they know a place where you could pitch a tent. If you look clean and non-threatening, they might offer you their backyard. If this doesn't happen, you need to go to a camping site. I paid around 5-15 EUR per night at these sites. And then there is the whole thing of travelling to Italy and not seeing any sights? Come on, you should have the occassional 5 EUR to shell out for that.

I'd have to take a plane ticket directly to Italy so I don't start my WHV in France too early, then I could stay 90 days there without munching my WHV time, and then the day I enter France the WHV would start ?

Yes, that's the way it usually works. I would get a cheap flight from Italy to France (and make bloody sure to keep the ticket!) to document your entry to France. But best ask at the French embassy about the "fine print", not that one of their rules says "WHV starts on entry to Schengen".

19. Posted by ABHPage (Budding Member 6 posts) 8y

Okay, so first, I'll start by cleaning my debts and then seeing how much money I can put aside. I might be able to get a new job soon from a friend of mine. Boring work, but better pay so I could keep it up for 4 months and see how much money I can spare.

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