wow.. that will be a very long route... and may take at least a year if you've got stops to tour a city you pass by...
plus.. too many visas to apply for... hehehe... that is unless your country doesn't need visas for the countries to pass by...
[ Edit: Edited on Jun 4, 2008, at 7:47 PM by pau_p1 ]
Its nepal to China(tibet) that is the problem right now as getting a permit is not happening. And probably will not until after the olympics had been and China revises their Tourist industry. Have a check on the TP about the new visa restriction on visas in China. Its a bummer.
China into nepal should be ok though. Certainly not at the nepal side. A train into tibet is not so frown upon.
Utrecht's route is one I would follow now. But am seriously but off by the amount of overland visa hassles in a lot of the places. Kazakhstan - Kyrgyzstan - Uzbekistan - Turkmenistan in particular. Russia too if need be. A complete pain. Also the cost in those countries can be high.
I am on the Asia side now and planning where to next. Was thinking SEA, China, Mongolia, Russia and then into the Stan's but the damn russia visa is a pain when not in your home country.
Don't get me wrong, go for it, by all means, just be prepared.
I just finished a trip form Portugal overland into China. The Iran Pakistan India Nepal China route and have to say it was special. The visa thing was a worry for a long time. Iran and Pakistan in particular. Both were fine, but Pakistan was in Emergency rule and I just squeezed in with a visa before it all hit the fan. Keep an eye on the news where ever you are to see if anything is liley to jeperdize a visa. Also, a lot of these countries require a letter of invitation from your own embassy.So you gotta be sure your country is happy to see its people in the other place.
It depends what you want as well. Party, culture, off the beaten path, alone or with others etc.
I'm subscribing here as I am curious to people attempting these routes into Europe. Anyone with blogs describing it PM me a link!!
All the best on your travels.
wow.. you really did a land trip from europe to asia!... wow... must have a very big budget and have enough time on your hands... i'm glad for you!
Traveling to Iran may seem to you as a bad idea, considering all the messages brought to us by the media and the political leaders, but the reality is that most of the world does not have the insight to what this country is really about. If you want to learn about the people in Iran and their rich culture, the changes that took place in Iranian history and lead to one global propaganda promoting only the negatives, you should read The Age of Nepotism by Vahid Razavi and try and seee things from one liberating and positive angle. If we agree that truth is somewhere in the middle, then we should at least give ourselves a chance of not being biased and learn about what we fear, since fear itself is mostly caused by ignorance.
All your posts have given me some courage that it is not as difficult as it seems. I dream of travelling from Japan to Europe without flying and would like to do it through the Stans.
Regarding travelling through Kazakhstan and the rest of the Stans, my understanding is that you need an invitation from a citizen of that country to be issued a visa. Is that right? Is it possible to apply for a visa to go through there while in China?
So many questions
Any help would be appreciated.
Here's a family of 10, mom, dad and 8 kids, that are doing that trip!
When are you planning to do that trip?
We`re currently in Japan, planning to go to Europe via China, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and so on in April + May. At the moment we`re still not sure about the route but we have our visas for China and Kyrgyzstan (no invitation letters needed). Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan is also okay without invitation letters, for Azerbaijan you only need a hotel reservation (which you can cancel later), Iran requires and invitation letter and Turkmenistan seems to be the most tricky one; but it`s possible to get a 5-day-transit visa without LOI (letter of invitation) for example in Tashkent.
(All the above applies to citizens of EU - we`re from Austria - I`m not sure for other countries.)
If you want to travel through Central Asia we can give you more advice soon, I guess. (Unless you`re already on the trip ahead of us ??)
there are many ways bevsmith.. I am also planning a similar route from KL - Moscow maybe next year.. One of the easiest way is by train and bus.. it is over land journey by train from Singapore- Kuala Lumpur- Butterworth - Hatyai - Bangkok - Arrayanprathet - Battambang (by bus) - phom penh - Ho Chi minch (by bus) - Hanoi - Beijing - Ulann Batoor - Irskuts - Moscow .. see this site : http://www.seat61.com/Trans-Siberian.htm
Have a nice journey!!
Forgot to subscribe to this thread just saw the replies
must have a very big budget and have enough time on your hands... i'm glad for you!
Cheers. Actually I found budget relevant to the type of travel. Example. If I'd taken planes to each of these countries it would have been a lot more expensive. I think I calculated out that going overland, while visiting and doing what I wanted, cost the same as general flights. Can't beat the overland experience though. Priceless.
One other point about visas when overlanding. It's important to take note of where someone applied and got the visas easily from - when reading forums.
For example a UK person applying in London for visas to whereever, will have an easier application process in general than a UK person applying along the way in other countries.