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21. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Ok, heart was bad idea. Updated to remove that, still on v2. See here

Quoting TLWH

Will have to side with the folks giving the stickman a bit of a poke.

No problem. It's funny - my responses to this logo are divided into two camps. Those who don't know TP intimately generally like it (apart from sam and I that is) and those who have been around here a long time generally don't like it. I think *some* sort of simplification has to happen, but maybe we can find a way of keeping it in the character we have built over time.

Quoting TLWH

Edit: BTW does the photo loader pop up box thing for inserting photos in a post come in under design?! Or is it a separate thing?

Separate. That is something that can be done regardless of redesign. That said, the redesign is partially inspired by the need for more width particularly in areas like the blog entry form. Having the extra space means we can use some room to the write of a text area to include extras like a "media library" or something like that.

Quoting mojorob

With the "Where are you headed" search, is there also a need to have the search box at the top of the home page? Potentially confusing to a newcomer, and it's unclear if there's a difference between the 2 search boxes.

They are two separate search functions. The site search at top would just be the same thing we have now. The "Where are you headed?" search will update the content directly beneath the search form. What you are seeing in the design is an example of someone who just searched "Melbourne, Australia"

Quoting mojorob

I notice you have "Members in ..." (this case Melbourne). For privacy reasons, will there be an opt-out for people who don't want to appear like this on the main page? Same goes for the "Current activity" in rev 2. Or better still, an opt-in - this could be brought to current members attention in the monthly newsletter and/or online message so people could opt-in before the new design goes live.

Fair point. I guess we will have to look at having an opt out. I don't think opt-in is necessary. Profiles on Travellerspoint are fully public now anyway - latest members for instance are always already linked on the front page. And people are linked from all sorts of places like the forums, wiki, blogs, photos, etc. Perhaps another option is to just include members who have actually actively done "public" things on the site, like post a forum entry or photo. This way, I think we can be relatively certain they don't mind being out in the open. But an opt-out of this kind of visibility would not be out of the question either.

Quoting mojorob

Following this example of using Melbourne, I notice there are reviews for a couple of hostels that would come up. How are these chosen? Is it at random? I think it should be somehow indicated in smaller text, otherwise it could look like TP recommends the displayed hostels, and is a form of advertising - 200 properties listed in Melbourne, but only 2 recommended kind of thing!

Hasn't really been discussed as yet, but I guess they would be most recent. I'm not sure it necessarily looks like we recommend them - after all, the reviews can be rather negative sometimes also :)

Quoting mojorob

Something I've mentioned before about localisation - with the Accommodation search option, the default currency should ideally be the currency used in that country. So searching for Melbourne, the default currency in the accommodation search should be AUD, and not USD.

Hmm, I can see your point, but I'm really not sure that most people would agree. When I'm searching for a property in Italy I actually would prefer to know what it's going to cost me in AUD, rather than Euros. So allowing the user to set one preferred currency seems to me at least the preferred option. Local currency is shown on the checkout page though, so we do include it somewhere. Maybe it can also be included earlier - just not sure if that wouldn't clutter up things too much. It's already very hard fitting in prices for each night when there are 30 nights selected as an example (here another reason we need more width :))

Quoting mojorob

I like the idea behind the logo change, but not so keen on the font used - this is just a personal thing though!

It's all about peoples' personal opinions! I think it's safe to say that the logo needs more work.

22. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 7y

Reactions on v2 and Peter's responses:

  • Darker blue in the header immediately looks nicer.
  • I like the illustration to fill up the space and add color. Shouldn't be this exact illustration, probably, but it's a good placeholder for now.
  • Is it just me, or is "We're a community of ..." awfully inspired by that Mozilla design I linked to? :)
  • The actions need to return in some form (the idea was really good; just the execution at the first attempt obviously lacking), and I don't think the five actions were too much. Blogs and photos need to be there separately, imo (with blogs preferably even called "blog it" rather than "share it"), as those are the two major services which people seem to not have any idea of. "book it" obviously needs to be there, and it'd really pain me to drop either "discuss it" or "map it". (And maybe for logged in users there could be a "do more" link to the control panel?) I just think those five items each need a custom designed icon (something in the 60x60 to 90x90 range, size-wise; so slightly to 50% smaller than what you had in version 1) that makes them really fit well together. Maybe in the style of the photo upload icon? (Maybe you could even have an icon for the header of each section in the control panel? Although it'd be hard to add new sections there if you needed to get an icon ready for it each time, so maybe not worth it...)
  • Maybe if you increase the size of the illustration and play with whitespace a bit, you could fit the actions in between "we want you to be a part" and "current activity"?
  • I know that the mega flyover menus have become rather common, and that even His Jacob Nielsenness Himself has given his approval for them. But I still think they suck, and am perennially annoyed when they obscure the content at yet another site after I've accidentally not shoved the mouse cursor out of the way quite far enough and had the thing end up above a menu trigger point. And I really don't see the guide needing special treatment; most of the subnavigation there is just a variation of similar subnavigation (by continent/region) on places like the forum, and the other items could easily be placed in page.
  • I don't think the addition of the circle in the logo really works. I don't particularly mind it, either, but I'm doubtful if it's worth the vertical space.

[ Edit: Edited on 02-May-2009, at 05:59 by Sander ]

23. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Actually, I didn't really change the colour blue - I think it was just the way I saved the file. First time it was PNG8 and as a result some of the colours looked a lot flatter than they did in Photoshop.

Quoting Sander

Is it just me, or is "We're a community of ..." awfully inspired by that Mozilla design I linked to? :)

Lol, you know what, you might be right. I didn't go to it and immediately think, yes that's the text. But it probably stuck in my head and then an hour later when I actually did it I pinched the idea. Wasn't conscious of it till you mentioned it now :) I just like the idea of making it feel like a community as much as possible. This text probably needs more work though.

Quoting Sander

Maybe if you increase the size of the illustration and play with whitespace a bit, you could fit the actions in between "we want you to be a part" and "current activity"?

Actually, I did toy with this idea. Initially that was my plan, but then once I removed them it just looked so nice and clean and uncluttered I had to run with that for now. But I do agree with your general premise that these "action" links are now really missing.

Quoting Sander

I know that the mega flyover menus have become rather common, and that even His Jacob Nielsenness Himself has given his approval for them. But I still think they suck, and am perennially annoyed when they obscure the content at yet another site after I've accidentally not shoved the mouse cursor out of the way quite far enough

Just to be clear, I wasn't intending on making it show on mouse over. You'd need to click to bring up the dropdown. I also hate the ones that come up automatically. See Flickr for implementation example.

24. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

Quoting mojorob

Something I've mentioned before about localisation - with the Accommodation search option, the default currency should ideally be the currency used in that country. So searching for Melbourne, the default currency in the accommodation search should be AUD, and not USD.

Hmm, I can see your point, but I'm really not sure that most people would agree. When I'm searching for a property in Italy I actually would prefer to know what it's going to cost me in AUD, rather than Euros. So allowing the user to set one preferred currency seems to me at least the preferred option. Local currency is shown on the checkout page though, so we do include it somewhere.

Yes, this is something else that I've mentioned before about currency. The front page example we're looking at is for people who are not logged in, so in this case the default currency in my opinion should be for the country in which the accommodation is located. For members logged in, they may prefer to see their own currency to better understand how much it is, or the local currency for the accommodation. This could be a Control Panel option.

With your example of looking at accommodation in Italy, I'm originally from UK so know GBP, currently I'm resident in Australia so day by day work in AUD, however I would still expect to see EUR as the default currency. I definitely wouldn't expect (nor want) to have USD as the presumed currency unless I was looking at the USA (or another country that uses USD).

25. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 7y

Something else I just thought of, it may be an idea to make the site more user-friendly for non-English speakers to have the language option (although fairly limited at the moment) at the top, maybe next to the search box.

26. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

Just to be clear, I wasn't intending on making it show on mouse over. You'd need to click to bring up the dropdown. I also hate the ones that come up automatically. See Flickr for implementation example.

Ah, okay! Then I have absolutely no objection.

Quoting mojorob

With your example of looking at accommodation in Italy, I'm originally from UK so know GBP, currently I'm resident in Australia so day by day work in AUD, however I would still expect to see EUR as the default currency. I definitely wouldn't expect (nor want) to have USD as the presumed currency unless I was looking at the USA (or another country that uses USD).

I originally agreed with you about this, until I considered the case of just going to Stockholm for a weekend, or doing a swift itinerary through half a dozen SE Asian countries, or, or, or... In none of those cases would I want to have the local currency shown; I just don't know or care about it (I do when I'm going to be in a country for several weeks, and will have been seeing prices in the local currency in my lonely planet, but not for a short visit). Of the remaining choices, with me being unknown (and the site thus not knowing if I'd want euros or US dollars or British pounds or some other big currency), US dollars are still the most "global" currency, with most people at least knowing roughly how it relates to their own currency, and thus giving a decent indication of price.
It's not perfect, and maybe some location detection based on ip could be done to give pounds to visitors who currently are located in the UK, Australian dollars to visitors who're currently in Australia, etc - but this very swiftly breaks down when for example visitors from an ip address in Thailand are more likely to be European than Thai, and so currencies should never be in baht by default, no matter what the ip address says.

27. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 7y

Quoting Sander

Quoting mojorob

With your example of looking at accommodation in Italy, I'm originally from UK so know GBP, currently I'm resident in Australia so day by day work in AUD, however I would still expect to see EUR as the default currency. I definitely wouldn't expect (nor want) to have USD as the presumed currency unless I was looking at the USA (or another country that uses USD).

I originally agreed with you about this, until I considered the case of just going to Stockholm for a weekend, or doing a swift itinerary through half a dozen SE Asian countries, or, or, or... In none of those cases would I want to have the local currency shown; I just don't know or care about it (I do when I'm going to be in a country for several weeks, and will have been seeing prices in the local currency in my lonely planet, but not for a short visit). Of the remaining choices, with me being unknown (and the site thus not knowing if I'd want euros or US dollars or British pounds or some other big currency), US dollars are still the most "global" currency, with most people at least knowing roughly how it relates to their own currency, and thus giving a decent indication of price.

I partially agree with what you say. There are certainly countries where the currency doesn't really "mean" much outside of that country, particularly those where it can't legally be traded or those which largely accept a particular currency or two from tourists.

Your example of a weekend in Stockholm - if I were still living in Europe (UK that is) I would still expect SEK to show up, but if not SEK then EUR as that is the closest major currency likely to be understood there. I wouldn't expect GBP to be displayed, and definitely not USD. Another reason with this example is that if I see a default of USD for a country that doesn't normally accept the USD then I would take the site to be US-based and aimed at US-based people. Therefore I wouldn't go any further with that website and try another.

28. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

Quoting mojorob

I notice you have "Members in ..." (this case Melbourne). For privacy reasons, will there be an opt-out for people who don't want to appear like this on the main page? Same goes for the "Current activity" in rev 2. Or better still, an opt-in - this could be brought to current members attention in the monthly newsletter and/or online message so people could opt-in before the new design goes live.

Fair point. I guess we will have to look at having an opt out. I don't think opt-in is necessary. Profiles on Travellerspoint are fully public now anyway - latest members for instance are always already linked on the front page. And people are linked from all sorts of places like the forums, wiki, blogs, photos, etc. Perhaps another option is to just include members who have actually actively done "public" things on the site, like post a forum entry or photo. This way, I think we can be relatively certain they don't mind being out in the open. But an opt-out of this kind of visibility would not be out of the question either.

In regards to a person's photo not showing up if they don't want it to, is this option already in place but not working properly?

I notice in the control panel you can edit the photo so you can have "Allow sharing" to be unticked. However, I've also noticed that even if you have that unticked yet have the photo tagged with "me" your photo still shows up in the Travel Guide if you've edited a large percentage of that item. Surely this shouldn't be the case, and if "Allow sharing" is unticked then this is an opt-out so your profile photo doesn't show up either in the Travel Guide or on the front page within the new design?

29. Posted by daveliz (Full Member 2 posts) 7y

My wife and I blog quite often on the site. In general we're happy with the site. As bloggers, the area we'd love to see some improvements is in creating blogs and posting pictures. Here are a few of our top requests:

  • A more user friendly way of adding photographs to the blogs. Currently, there is a single select drop down that shows a big preview of the picture. One, this makes adding a lot of photos very tedious and two, if we're on a slow connection (which is often while traveling) it makes it even more tedious. We'd like to see a thumbnail selection feature similar to the upload fuctionality, where you can choose multiple photos based on the thumbnails, click ok, and then the links are inserted in bulk into the blog.

  • When photos are displayed in a blog, make them links to the high resolution img in the public gallery. Also, make a popup text of the description of the photo from the public gallery.

  • The save draft while typing feature doesn't always work as we'd expect and we often lose work. We'd rather see a feature that reminds you to save as draft if you try to navigate away from an entry that has been edited since the last save.

30. Posted by TLWH (Travel Guru 516 posts) 7y

Just thought of one other thing.

Low bandwidth bloggers. I know I am often trying to do things from low bandwidth countries or connections. And I found in the past some things just didn't function right. Photo uploader and the map for one. I know one could use the single upload for the photos, and the map is as it is.

Just wondering if there is anything like a low bandwidth version in the pipes or a workaround? I guess it's not a main stream priority. But just said I'd throw it out there as one of the things I'd like to see as a traveler.

Maybe just a low bandwidth button somewhere, that users can click and it will default to not allowing flash or java uploaders to those bloggers (like me) that can never remember workarounds when crammed into a small cyber cafe on windows 98

Best of luck with the changes btw