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1. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 8y

Less than 24 hours after introducing a controversial measure to expand President Bush's authority to spy on Americans, the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on Friday voted to approve the administration- and Republican-supported bill, sending it to the Senate where it will likely be adopted.

Civil liberties and privacy advocates forcefully panned the measure, which was crafted behind closed doors in negotiations among moderate Democrats, Republicans, the White House and telecommunications lobbyists.

"It’s Christmas morning at the White House thanks to this vote," Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, said in a news release. "The House just wrapped up some expensive gifts for the administration and their buddies at the phone companies."

2. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

You know, kombizz, Americans are born into their country. You, on the other hand, have chosen of your own free will to move there and participate in American life. The U.S. has opened its doors to you. Part of that culture dictates that you can say what you want about public figures, criticize the government, state your opinion, voice your distrust on the Internet, rally for people to support you, and basically exercise your freedom as an individual thinker. That's what a democracy--flawed or no--allows you to do.

But can you tell us once and for all: WHY? Why do you criticize your adoptive home when you can just up and go home?

Sincerely--a real answer, please.

3. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 8y

Quoting kombizz

Less than 24 hours after introducing a controversial measure to expand President Bush's authority to spy on Americans, the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on Friday voted to approve the administration- and Republican-supported bill, sending it to the Senate where it will likely be adopted.

Civil liberties and privacy advocates forcefully panned the measure, which was crafted behind closed doors in negotiations among moderate Democrats, Republicans, the White House and telecommunications lobbyists.

"It’s Christmas morning at the White House thanks to this vote," Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, said in a news release. "The House just wrapped up some expensive gifts for the administration and their buddies at the phone companies."

Kombizz - anyone can copy and paste stories from the web - although should you not be adding your source otherwise you are plagarising and trying to pass this off as your own - but you NEVER seem to add your own opinion - why? Do you not have one?

I dont know enough about the story or the background to it make any sort of educated comment, and lm not too proud to admit that - but lm making the assumption that you must have some kind of feelings on the subject - why else post this link? So Kombizz - tell us what you think of the story in your own words, without reference to any kind of web link.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 25, 2008, at 2:10 AM by Purdy ]

4. Posted by Eleniki (Full Member 125 posts) 8y

I think Kombizz likes to get TP members responding/reacting to what he likes to think of as his intelligent and stimulating thread topics - the idea is, he then sits back and enjoys the fuss. It's a bit like watching Pete Sampras kill a game of tennis with his serve every time (only without the skill) - sooo boring. How about we let the ball go into the net every time? See if that gets Kombizz playing the banter game like a grown-up...

5. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 8y

T, H, E......ladies, I wish you good luck in getting a response. I don't think it will be forthcoming. Generally liars and plagiarists can't form their own opinions...therfore, they have nothing relevant to say. As E. said, let's watch the ball hit the net....maybe he'll get tired of serving up crap.

On the up side, I can think of a certain visitor to this country who may well be under enhanced scrutiny from various governmental groups.....because you know, America bashing is not viewed well here. And I suspect that these same government groups may not have such a wondeful view of Iran, that peace loving country that would never ever dream of selling enriched uranium to anyone who might use it against the decadent West. Would they?

There's always so much more to say.....but we'd only be talking to each other, and we can do that better in PMs or in live chat.....that way the Iranian Secret Police for the Protection of Jihadist Bowel Movements won't intercept any of our secret coded messages....

6. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Quoting kombizz

Less than 24 hours after introducing a controversial measure to expand President Bush's authority to spy on Americans, the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on Friday voted to approve the administration- and Republican-supported bill, sending it to the Senate where it will likely be adopted.

Civil liberties and privacy advocates forcefully panned the measure, which was crafted behind closed doors in negotiations among moderate Democrats, Republicans, the White House and telecommunications lobbyists.

"It’s Christmas morning at the White House thanks to this vote," Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, said in a news release. "The House just wrapped up some expensive gifts for the administration and their buddies at the phone companies."

The intent is not to spy on 'Americans'. The intent is to covertly spy on the moslem community because the Islamic faith/culture/totalitarian political ideology contains 95+ percent of mass-murderous zealots, whether in the US, UK, Europe or Australasia.
Australia has spent $2 billion AUD in the past 5 years on security from terrorism, and the only terrorist (both vocalised -Abu Bakar Bashir and realised -e.g Bali) threat to Oz comes from moslems. Those funds (I pay a lotta tax) could have opened new hospitals, schools and helped our indigenous community out of dire poverty.
The Australia federal government and police departments (both federal and state) constantly spout the gibberish that the our anti-terrorism laws are not aimed at any one community, but everyone knows the truth, moslem and kafir.
Anti-terrorism laws, both here in OZ and world-wide, are aimed at Islam.

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 25, 2008, at 6:07 AM by wotthefiqh ]

7. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

As Tway stated: "Americans are born into their country". This citizenship gives them certain rights which includes the right to vote. This right is also extended to those from other countries if they choose to become US citizens. It appears that Kombizz has made that choice at some point in his life and holds US citizenship. So, I just have a couple of questions (which I know will never receive an answer, but what the hell).

  • Kombizz, do you exercise your right to vote? Or,
  • Are you one of the ~40% who don't bother and just whine about the state of affairs?

I was raised to believe that in order to affect change in a system, one must be willing to participate in that system by going to the polls to vote. I was also taught that those who don't vote don't have much to complain about because they couldn't take the time to voice their opinion. My candidate may not win but at least I have voiced my opinion at the ballot box since I was 19 years old.

I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that you've been way too busy sorting through your e-mails and internet news stories for how Americans pick on the lowly Muslims (especilly Iranians) of the world and have forgotten to show up at the precinct headquarters. You'll have another chance in November. Maybe you should stop complaining until then.

8. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

The Australia federal government and police departments (both federal and state) constantly spout the gibberish that the our anti-terrorism laws are not aimed at any one community, but everyone knows the truth, moslem and kafir.

DO u mean to say that the anti-terrorism laws are directed towards Muslims and Kafirs? Then it brings all communities under it purview as Kafir means "Non-Muslims".

Quoting wotthefiqh

Anti-terrorism laws, both here in OZ and world-wide, are aimed at Islam.

Now u say that it is directed towards only Islam, contradicting urself:)

Just to correct urself, terrorists have no religion and such laws are there to track individuals who carry out terrorist activites

[ Edit: Edited on Jun 25, 2008, at 7:02 AM by arif_kool ]

9. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Quoting arif_kool

Quoting wotthefiqh

The Australia federal government and police departments (both federal and state) constantly spout the gibberish that the our anti-terrorism laws are not aimed at any one community, but everyone knows the truth, moslem and kafir.

DO u mean to say that the anti-terrorism laws are directed towards Muslims and Kafirs? Then it brings all communities under it purview as Kafir means "Non-Muslims".

Quoting wotthefiqh

Anti-terrorism laws, both here in OZ and world-wide, are aimed at Islam.

Now u say that it is directed towards only Islam, contradicting urself:)

Just to correct urself, terrorists have no religion and such laws are there to track individuals who carry out terrorist activites

Come on arif, you know exactly what I meant -

Both moslems and kafirs understand that Anti-terrorism laws, both here in OZ and world-wide, are aimed solely at Islam because it is the only faith/culture/ideology which cultivates mass-murder in it's name.

10. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 8y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Both moslems and kafirs understand that Anti-terrorism laws, both here in OZ and world-wide, are aimed solely at Islam because it is the only faith/culture/ideology which cultivates mass-murder in it's name.

U mean the laws are meant to uproot and destroy ISLAM from this world??