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LIVING and STUDYING in Netherlands or Germany...

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1. Posted by manuka (Budding Member 8 posts) 8y

this topic was created 'coz the idea with UK seems to impossible to be acualized. so i d like to ask all the experts of Germany Netherland and other European countries where i can get a good education( means world recognized) for affordable price with good place to live, and ofcourse cheap__))!
interested in business studies(econs or international business)
i need some approximate estimations on living and educational expenses, part-time work opportunities, work opportunities after gradiation and just a good place to live at....thank you for your sharing

2. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 8y

much if not all depends on your current country of residence and nationality. Without that information it's impossible to answer your question.

3. Posted by manuka (Budding Member 8 posts) 8y

ok....i am from Uzbekistan. Have finished Foundation in Malaysia. speak fluent english and got toefl ibt 95/120.
am 20 years old. main language is russian. also can speak uzbek and bit of korean 'coz i am korean, ethnically.
anything else?

4. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 8y

Right. That makes it rather difficult, if not impossible to get a visa.

First, you need an educational institution to approve your preliminary enrollment, which in itself will be neigh impossible because most BA-programmes are taught in Dutch, and a thorough command of that language is mandatory if you want to pursue a full degree (as opposed to coming as an exchange student). Another hurdle you have to overcome is to get your secondary education recognised as a valid background for enrollment in the Dutch universitary system. This usually takes a LOOOOONG time (think half a year), and ain't cheap. Also be aware that you will be charged the highest possible tuition fee, which in the Netherlands is EUR9,000 per annum on a public university, excluding language courses which in your case will be mandatory.

In the unlikely event that you will pull this off, the next step is to apply for a preliminary temporary residence permit with the Dutch government. One of the things you will need is proof of sufficient means to support yourself, since you will not be entitled to financial support through the institutions of the receiving country. I don't know what amount is considered to be sufficient, but I think you will be looking at some EUR750-1,000 for every month of residence, which excludes tuition fee. Everything included, you need to proof that you have some EUR55,000 at your disposal (3x9000+(12x3x750)). Second, you will need to pass a 'citizenship exam', which again ain't cheap. Third, obtaining the permit itself has a range of costs attached to it.

After you've been cleared of all suspicions of terrorist activities (don't laugh), you get a preliminary temporary residence permit, which you can convert to a regular temporary residence permit upon arrival. Note that you will not be allowed to work; you will not be entitled to health care; you WILL be entitled to vote for local elections (strange, but true).

I suggest you contact your institution of choice first (I believe an overview can be found at, then make an appointment at the Dutch consulate nearest to you to discuss your options, and whether or not your dream can feasibly be made reality. Personally, I don't think so.

good luck!

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 23, 2008, at 9:52 AM by bentivogli ]

5. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 8y

As to the other countries: the rules for Belgium are pretty similar to the Dutch situation afaik. I'm less sure about Germany, but a quick look at tells me that you need at least a year of higher education before you can even take the German admission test.

6. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3290 posts) 8y

a quick look at tells me that you need at least a year of higher education before you can even take the German admission test

That is not true if manuka has already completed BA and is looking to do masters.

Manuka, could you please clear up what you mean with "foundation"? I am confused on that too. Did you attend school or university to complete "foundation"? How long did you go to school and where? Was your foundation general education or business related?

For further reference, what was the exact name of the course that you wanted to take at Middlesex? Was this a Bachelor course or a master's degree?

If you please give me the Malaysian term for your "foundation" degree and the Russian term if you acquired any degrees in Usbekistan, I can look them up and see whether they are enough for entering a German university.

P.S.: You might want to add your background (Usbeki citizen of Korean descent studying in Malaysia) to your profile page.

[ Edit: Edited on Jul 24, 2008, at 6:12 AM by t_maia ]

7. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 8y

I'd say a Bachelor's degree pretty much qualifies as a year of higher education, Maia :)

By the way, the same is true for the Netherlands. If you're looking to do a Master's, things get considerably easier at least as far as the university is concerned. Not cheaper, though :(

8. Posted by manuka (Budding Member 8 posts) 8y

Ok...Foundation is an preuniversity program...something between hightschool and university to help students to get determined what they want to study. here they try different subjects and eventually decide what to take. i have finished high school in Uzbekistan and foundation in Malaysia...Middlesex allows me to enter right now having just enough money and visa approval.

9. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3290 posts) 8y

Then go to Middlesex.

I think you would have to take the equivalent of foundation in Germany again before you could attend university here in Germany plus you'd need to spent about one year learning German, as all undergrad courses are held in German.

I think I personally would study for the Bachelor degree in Malaysia or another SEA country. A lot cheaper than Europe and thus much easier, especially with having the foundation degree recognised. If you then still want to study in Europe you should do masters. For doing masters you could get scholarships and it would be way easier.

BTW, have you looked at universities in Australia or New Zealand?