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11. Posted by loubylou (Travel Guru 664 posts) 8y

Before we started to travel I have to admit we were quite ashamed to be British because of the reputation the Brits have abroad. Now we have been travelling for quite a while I think we are a little more proud to be British...yes there are idiots from every country who give other citizens a bad name, but in the same way as Eve, we see ourselves as 'ambassadors' for the UK, changing people's minds about British people.

We have lost count of the amount of times over the last 2 years that other nationalities have told us we aren't typically British and that we have changed their perception of the British. At the end of the day you can't change the country you are born into, you can't change the idiots who give your country a bad name but you can change how other people view your country through your own behaviour! We have never denied being British (we do admit to dodging other British people sometimes when they seem like idiots!) and make sure other nationalities know that not all British are lager louts and badly behaved!

12. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 8y

Quoting loubylou

but in the same way as Eve, we see ourselves as 'ambassadors' for the UK, changing people's minds about British people.

I read this AMBASSADOR CONCEPT, in my English for Japanese kids text book. It was about how Japanese housewifes should treat their Filipino maids. Because these maids, which is a cultural army, will form opinions about Japanese culture that will affect the way the word percieved Japan.

What I should have added in my post is this thought, Should we join or form groups while we are living in foreign lands?

I do visit churches in foreign countries. But I know Sunday is a Filipino convention in all the churches of non christian Asian countries. Like I stated previously, people tend to be more nationalistic when they are in foreign lands. They suddenly have illussions that Manila is as wonderful as Zurich or Oslo.

I really miss Filipino food like a child misses his blanket. But I will not give in to the temptation of dining in a so called Filipino restaurant. And If I managed to go to Italy, I would rather die of starvation, than patrionize the food vendors that sell ADOBO (pork dish) in public parks or tourist sites.

I think I just against EGOTISM and HYPOCRISY. To refer to ourselves as ambassadors of our culture may be a bit egotistical. But it does have its good points. For instance, my Polish friend had to carry one my backpack, because he was worried that the locals might think he is a colonialist. My German friend, who is also blonde, volunteered to carry my bags, because the locals might attack him for enslaving a poor local boy. But seriuosly I was impressed by their sensitivity, considering that my backpack is twice the size of their own.

13. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 8y

In my opinion, carrying your bags because they are worried what the locals will think of them seems pretty egotistical. Two people from different countries should be comfortable enough in themselves to walk down the street as two equals, as friends without worrying what the rest of the world thinks.

I think, to answer your question, one should definitely join local groups or societies if they are staying or living in a foreign country for a while. it's a good way to integrate into the local culture usually I find, plus you meet a lot of people that way.

Maybe "ambassador" is a hackneyed kind of word, and maybe it sounds like it has pretensions or illusions of grandeur, but really it doesn't. IIf you act embarrassed by your culture or country and avoid everything to do with it, how does help foreigners opinion of where you come from?

Good topic by the way! ;)

14. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 8y

What will you do if your neighbor cooks DRIED FISH, which is very smelly, in your posh condominiun?
(And that is just BREAKFAST.)

I would call 911 or the KKK.

Or if someone in your morning bus ride starts chewing DURIAN meat (assuming that you don't like it), because that person DELIBERATE CONVINCED himself that he is homesick.

Or when foreigners start organizing groups to complain about their oppressive wages, which is 3000percent more than what they make in their little country. (They start rallying on parks and act like they are back home. The people who organize this groups are being egotistical and those who join them are just bored and homesick. This should annoy you!

In one ESL website a FILIPINO forum was created and some people embrace it because it gave them a community to reign upon. Unfortunately for the rest of my people, who are as American as LUCY LUI, they will become victims of the stereotypes that this segregation will breed. The Singaporeans who refuse to use the ESL label will not accept such a pathetic product of FALSE NATIONALISM.

I guess I am just really angst ridden. I made my 1st attempt to apply for an ESL job in South East Asia this evening.
After I handed my CV, the thai girl asked me, "wait where are you from?" I paused wishing I could get the word, South Carolina from my mouth. But I said "from the Philippines". The Thai girl returned my CV and said that they only accept papers from......

I CANT BLAME HER.

15. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

What I find interesting is you place the word culture in the thread title and immediately move on to nationalism in the post itself. The post elicits people to reply with their point of view but those comments don't seem to be what you really want from them. It appears you want someone, anyone, to just agree that any type of nationalism and/or holding onto certain parts of their culture is a bad thing. It's not. As most have said, there are those who push it to the limits, but you seem to have found the "Holy Grail" of obnoxious Filipinos. There doesn't seem to be very much that doesn't irritate you about the places you stay, the things you do, the people around you, the lack of work, etc, etc, etc. I can't imagine being that negative at 28 years of age. It's a shame.

I'm just wondering if you have chosen GT as a place to vent your angst about the things you dislike, in hopes of finding kindred spirits. You may find them, but so far, that hasn't actually happened. Seriously, you have chosen to teach ESL in Asia and then are unhappy when you run into Asians from the Philippines. You'd have greater luck avoiding your own culture/nationalism in South Carolina. They could also use some help with their accents.

Seriously, I mean no offense, Swept Away. I just find you a very unhappy person who could do something to change their situation. Complaining releases the frustration but doesn't change a thing. Tomorrow, someone else will cook fish, or e-mail you, or eat durian, or try to speak with you continuing the cycle and you will vent once again.

16. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 8y

Quoting Isadora

Seriously, I mean no offense, Swept Away. I just find you a very unhappy person who could do something to change their situation.

I don't make assumptions about people base on what I read. I am an unhappy person??? WHOA!
Our judgement about other people may only reflect our views about ourselves.

Lets just celebrate our skill to express ourselves and deal with the literture and not the strangers who post it.

17. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Quoting Swept Away

What I should have added in my post is this thought, Should we join or form groups while we are living in foreign lands?

I tease my boyfriend--who moved here from Belfast a few month ago--that he's now more Irish than the Irish, joining the local Gaelic club and hanging out with ex-pats who also moved here for the exact same reasons. Do I think he should fit in better by leaving his Irishness behind? Not at all. Why should "act" Canadian?

And besides, the city's made up of every culture on earth. I a't imagine it would be very interesting if everyone played hockey and ate poutine cause that was the "local" thing to do.

18. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 8y

Wait til you married Tway - he'll be demanding bangers and mash, bacon and cabbage and irish stew every night of the week!

I brought my bodhran with me when I moved here to New York. (it's a sort of drum, unique to Ireland). So far, it has allowed me to meet more Americans than Irish because when people see me playing it they come up and want to try it out and ask me what it is if they've never seen it before. So, I feel that while I get to indulge myself in a little bit of my Irish culture, it's also allowing me to meet new people in the country that I'm now living in.

That's the one thing about big cities, as Tina said. Part of their charm is the fact that they are just a big patchwork quilt of lots of different cultures. No-one I know really wants to live among lots of grey buildings and in small cramped apartments, but the reason so many people love cities is because of their rich and variegated culture.

19. Posted by pau_p1 (Respected Member 214 posts) 8y

Nope, in my opinion, no matter what you do or go from the highest to the lowest part of this earth.. you carry a little part of your culture in yourself..

I, being a Filipino, has qualms with the problems haunting my country, poverty is at a high, corruption is everywhere, but still the culture is there... no matter what I do to evade the common superstitions, it's there... and I don't think I can hide from it since it has been in my bones since I was born in this land..

I know the Filipinos can be a loud group of people, but it's just what we are.. and even with the shameful side of our culture, there are things still to be proud of... and there is not nation in this world that has nothing to be ashamed of.. even the richest countries in the world has corruption and poverty...

With the current economic conditions here at home... I'm working on moving to another country.. hopefully in Australia. not because I hate my country but because I just want my kid to have a better future.. and I'm still bringing my culture there if do have the chance.. my children will speak Filipino... because I believe what our national hero (Rizal) once said... 'Ang di magmahal sa sariling wika ay daig pa ang mabahong isda' ('One who does not love his language is worse that a smelly fish')... He may have used Spanish in his works, to convey his sentiments to a vernacular understandable by the conquering Castillans.. but he still loved his own language...

And just to add.. before I was given the opportunity of going outside the country... I also feel ashamed of being a Filipino because of our image internationally comparing how progressive they are.. but that all changed when I was able to see other cultures and to other nations poorer than the Philippines... I saw how they look up to Filipinos...

[ Edit: Edited on Aug 10, 2008, at 5:38 PM by pau_p1 ]

20. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 8y

Quoting pau_p1

because I believe what our national hero (Rizal) once said... 'Ang di magmahal sa sariling wika ay daig pa ang mabahong isda' ('One who does not love his language is worse that a smelly fish')... He may have used Spanish in his works, to convey his sentiments to a vernacular understandable by the conquering Castillans.. but he still loved his own language...

Our national hero was chosen by the AMERICANS that bought the islands from Spain. RIZAL was pro SPAIN, and he never wanted INDEPENDENCE. That is why the AMERICANS used his memory to control the people. Your national hero is a colonial minded elitist who loved everything European. He was also a native speaker of Spanish, like the children of our corrupt leaders.

I'm not anti-filipino. I am just anti "JOLOGS" a new word that ussually refers to a behavior, personality or taste of the masses. I hail from the masses and I hate the assumption that my taste is less cultured.

The JOLOGS culture leave it in MANILA.
When I was in CAMBODIA, I was feeling more proud of my country. UNTIL, I found the FILIPINO channels on TV. I was so disgusted and I thought, why should I watch Philippine TV, when I get to live in countries like Belgium or Norway.

This cultural virus is transmitted through television sets around the world.