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1. Posted by chayisun (Budding Member 163 posts) 8y

Manager's remark racist: tribunal

OTTAWA -- The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has awarded a former Health Canada scientist $4,000 for "hurt feelings" after a supervisor's comment that he liked visible minorities was deemed to be racist.

But in a 51-page decision released Friday, the tribunal dismissed eight of Shiv Chopra's other 10 allegations, including a charge that racial discrimination is rampant at Health Canada.

Chopra, who is of East Indian descent, worked at Health Canada from 1969 to 2004, when he and two other veterinary scientists known as whistle-blowers were fired for "insubordination." He was often in conflict with the department, which he accused of discrimination for failing to promote visible minorities, an allegation upheld by a human rights tribunal in 1997. As well, a 2001 tribunal upheld an earlier complaint by Chopra that he was denied promotion because of his ethnicity.

Friday's decision dealt with complaints filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission by Chopra in 1998 and in 1999. The commission referred the complaints to the tribunal in 2004. One involved comments made by Andre Lachance after his 1998 appointment as director at Health Canada's bureau of veterinary drugs, a job that Chopra believed he deserved.

When he was introduced to staff, Lachance told his audience that he liked visible minorities.

Chopra complained the comment was a "deeply insensitive racial remark toward visible minority employees of the bureau."

The tribunal concurred. The comment, it added, "shows a lack of sensitivity on the part of Lachance for people whose skin is not white who are seen to be different from white individuals."
-- Canwest News Service

I was wondering if any other country has such a thing as human rights commisssions and, if so, how they work.

Ours have become tyrannical. And it's getting worse.....They are after internet sites and people who post......It would appear Joseph Stalin is alive and well and running the CHRC......

2. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

One being PC takes over using your common sense, it's all downhill from there...

3. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y

My old boss "hurt my feelings" by stating in a performance review, "Women should not be allowed to work in the sciences because they aren't intelligent enough. They are only meant to be school teachers, secretaries or housewives and they are only really qualified to be housewives." I wonder if the statutes of limitation to sue him have run out yet...

I also worked for a doctor who, once he became head of the department, only took on fellowship students who were the children of his friends and contacts from his home country. The department went from multi-cultural to mono-cultural in a short period of time. Several students of non-"home country" decent lodged formal complaints and a lawsuit. The courts ruled against the lawsuit, stating the students had other opportunities at other institutions and that this department head brought large quantities of funds to the school. Why harm the golden goose with a guilty verdict. (I have left out the name of the country on purpose.)

Our system works about the same as Canada's and there are those cases that are worthy of consideration but most are not. Those who are truly wronged by discrimination are usually less likely to openly complain for fear of retaliation. The squeaky wheel gets the grease whether it really needs it or not. You don't like the job - go somewhere else. But then again, he did get $4000 CanuckiBucks and got to keep playing with the veterinary drugs. That's a whole $666.666/year recompense. Oooohhh, that's a bit demonic...

4. Posted by chayisun (Budding Member 163 posts) 8y

The CHRC recently convicted a Catholic Priest as being anti-gay. He wrote a story in a Catholic magazine that, to him at least, an alternate life style was wrong.

Well, he was hauled before the CHRC and, after two years, he was found guilty, fined a sum of money and ordered..That's NOT discuss anything to do with alternate lifestyles....By the way, the person who complained, as is the case in every complaint, doesn't have to do anything but complain. The one who is charged must defend themselves, at their expense while the costs of the investigation, gets covered by the taxpayers.

A muslim imam ran to the CHRC to lodge a complaint against McLeans magazine, big seller here in Canada..Like Time magazine....because they printed a story about the spread of islam.....Well, the CHRC looked at the complaint, looked at who was being charged and dropped the complaint....McLeans is huge and could hire so many lawyers....So, the CHRC went after another publisher who republished the cartoon about mohammed....Remember that one?...After another muslim said the republishing of the cartoon was racist....

Well, not only has this publisher fought the CHRC he started a blog which has spread like wildfire and, as a result, the CHRC is being investigated by the RCMP, among others....

Also, the CHRC is so corrupt they actually had staff members go into forums and post anti-gay, anti-black, anti-asian and pro nazi comments to get people to reply....Make work projects, I assume....And, when these people agreed with these racist comments, the CHRC would begin an investigation and have recently charged sites and the owner's of the sites are being hauled before the CHRC.....Legal? Thus, the RCMP investigation.

Yes, time's are a'changin' and not for the best....The muslims here in Canada want to stifle free speech and also want to bring in their own laws....They use the CHRC all the time......

Our system does not work. These so called human rights commission's are staffed by appointee's who have no clue. In one particular case a the person in charge of the investigation was a recently fired police officer and the "adjudicator" as they are called, who produced the verdict...It's ALWAYS a guilty verdict (unless it's a huge magazine) is a divorce lawyer....making a human rights complaint decision.....

America has a Constitution..We have a Bill of Rights which is just not working..Too many loopholes, it appears. Thanks to one Pierre Trudeau....

5. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

Ack!! No dissing Canada's sexiest PM!

I was actually planning to vote for the most obscure party on the ballot until I realized Justin is running in my riding. Hooray!!!

Now, what were we talking about? Ah, yes. The problem with government bodies is that their primary goal is to not offend. Whereas the private sector works to advance and grow, the public sector works to not offend or rock the boat or call attention to themselves. So wishy-washiness abounds.

I think, too, that you may be generalizing. I live in a community with equal parts Latinos, Muslims, French, Italian, and Haitian (with anglos like me thrown in for good measure) and everyone gets along pretty well. Ain't nobody looking to pass their own set of laws over here. All we want is to shop at the markets and try a little of everyone's everything.

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 1, 2008, at 1:26 PM by tway ]

6. Posted by chayisun (Budding Member 163 posts) 8y

Canada's sexiest PM??? You're kidding. I thought that was Kim Campbell.....

And, please, do some investigation into the CHRC and it's provincial counterparts...Read Ezra Levant's blog....Your rights and mine are being slowly eroded as most people have no idea just what the chrc is doing.

7. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

KIm Campbell? The Conservatives always dress like they're going to a Church social. The clothes make the man! Or woman, in this case.

The CRTC is a government body. Government bodies react out of fear of doing something wrong lest they get caught out and publicly chastised. Therefore the CRTC will almost always side with the party who will make the least headlines.

It's unfair for people to cry "racist" or "discrimination" or whatever at any old opportunity. But it's also unfair and inaccurate to say our country doesn't discriminate and isn't racist. There has to be a healthy, truthful balance. But don't look to a government up for election to fix anything significant.

8. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4138 posts) 8y

Quoting chayisun

The CHRC recently convicted a Catholic Priest as being anti-gay. He wrote a story in a Catholic magazine that, to him at least, an alternate life style was wrong.

Well, he was hauled before the CHRC and, after two years, he was found guilty, fined a sum of money and ordered..That's NOT discuss anything to do with alternate lifestyles....By the way, the person who complained, as is the case in every complaint, doesn't have to do anything but complain.

Serves the Catholic priest right for having an opinion. I mean, who ever heard of freedom of speech?

Personally, I think these Human Rights Commissions are set up to provide jobs for people who otherwise would be unemployed, and unemployable.

9. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

CHRC or provincial HRC's (e.g Columbia).
Different dogs, same leg action.
Ezra Levant, Maclean's magazine, Mark Steyn or whoever.
Don't DARE exercise your right of free speech.
If the multiculturalist pimps (re. Pat Condell) don't get you, some culturally-offended person will lodge a complaint to any/all HRC's and drag you through the system costing you a fortune.

A few months ago, and referring to the CHRC tactics in the text, I emailed the Canadian Premier and told him that he was a 'a shiver looking for a spine to run up'.
I also requested that, if he sicced the Mounties on me, could it please be Dudley Do-Right but never got a reply for some reason.

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 11, 2008, at 9:16 AM by wotthefiqh ]

10. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 8y

Found this on ezralevant's site -

Canada's censorious human rights commissions have caught the eye of Freedom House, the international NGO that compiles an annual freedom of the world index, including press freedom.

Here is their comment about Canada's HRCs:

Canada faced threats to freedom of expression as government agencies brought charges against journalists who wrote commentaries that were critical of Islam.

Six months ago I kicked 100 CADs into ezra's legal defence account and the reply was -

Thanks very much for your recent contribution to my legal defence fund. I appreciate your generous help.
It all started when I reprinted those Danish cartoons of Mohammed, back in 2006. It's been almost 900 days now, and I'm still being prosecuted by the Alberta human rights commission for "discrimination".

I have a personally autographed copy of Mark Steyn's book 'America Alone' which is a cracker of a read.