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31. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 8y

Quoting outcast

Adding a 10(give or take)% service charge is a norm in a lot of places too. But again I don't fully agree, just add the price onto the menu and stop adding on charges!

But they have those plus 10% VAT even in Mc.donalds... and the travel industry....
service charge, and table charge, thats what they call it back home.

32. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 8y

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Adding a 10(give or take)% service charge is a norm in a lot of places too. But again I don't fully agree, just add the price onto the menu and stop adding on charges! Likewise with the tipping. To me it seems some work needs to be done on the minimum wage act in North America?

I agree that we shouldn't be required to tip--and it would be a whole lot easier if people in the service industry got decent wages and tipping went back to what it originally was: extra compensation for a job superbly done.

However! Please remember that, until attitudes change, your waiter/waitress/hairdresser/etc. in North America is just trying to make ends meet, like everyone else. If no one tipped them, they'd be living on the street.

33. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 8y

Here's the list of minimum wages by state/territory in the USA. Glad to say that soon Oregon will have one of the very highest at $8.40.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_minimum_wages

Canada seems to pay much better:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_Canada

These are the minimum wages throughout the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 10, 2008, at 11:24 AM by Daawgon ]

34. Posted by Danielsw25 (Budding Member 50 posts) 8y

a well-known restaurant chain, In-N-Out Burger, has a beginning minimum wage of $10 per hour

Yet ANOTHER reason to love In-N-Out. You people living in the Mid to East Coast areas of the US don't know what you are missing. Congrats to Arizona and Nevada for joining California in hosting this amazing eatery.

Wow, I can't belive that some people are only getting $2.65. MASSACHUSETTS?! It has to be one of the most expensive places in the US. Despicable...

35. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 8y

Isn't that $10. per hour just for In-N-Out's San Francisco locations? (one hell of an expensive city!)

36. Posted by Danielsw25 (Budding Member 50 posts) 8y

I don't think so. I am pretty sure it is everywhere. This place is insane though. I ALWAYS go after snowboarding, nice little ritual of mine. Keeps it special. But the place is always packed, like 10 cars in drive through minimum. I literally have never not waited in line there. So they can really afford to pay their people well. And I heard they give pretty regular raises too. People easily are making $12 an hour after a year or so. Pretty impressive for a fast food company.

37. Posted by vickon (Budding Member 50 posts) 8y

I am from Greece and i was working as a waiter and barman. Usually the managers of restaurants or bars making an agreement with the employees to give them less money because they will have tips. So if you dont give tip you just punish the employee and not the business owner. I always give tip when i travel abroad not because I am a high-roller type but because i can understand the staff. I disagree to give 18% tip and espescially when they force me to do that.
Now I am working in a hotel and the staff of room services refuge to get tip when given to them just because they get good salary. And an advise. Dont give tip to the greek taxi drivers! they already cheating you!

38. Posted by Sunniebgi (Full Member 67 posts) 8y

TIPS - To Insure Proper Service . It's a "North American Animal" if you know what I mean. Wait staff is paid below Minimum because of some law (not sure what) that say they get below the minimum and it's made up by TIPS. When I waitressed many many years ago, I made about 2.00 an hour, plus tips.. I worked my you know what off, and depending on the night, would either come home good, or not. my best tip (again this was 20years ago) was a 5.00usd tip on 3 cups of coffee. The tip was more than the coffee.. why?? because they were tourist and I was able to give them good helpful information about the area they had traveled to..

I don't tip more than 15pct (as that for my concern has been the norm for years). In Barbados, tips are included in the price of the meal depending on the restaurant, but some people (including my husband) pay more than that. and I've been known to give a penny tip, which is basically a slap in the face to the waitress.. a penny tip is given if the service is slow and very very bad..

39. Posted by Piecar (Travel Guru 894 posts) 8y

I am Canadian. We like to tip and have been trained to feel guilty if we do not....

I have thrown off this yoke. I find it ridiculous. In fact, I would like to be able to TAKE AWAY money from time to time for lazy fuckers who chew gum and disinterestedly go about the bare minimum of what their job entails. American waiters are great for this, doing really nothing of any worth and then looking incredulously at their empty checkfold.

That said, like some others, I WILL tip if someone really went out of their way. I am not talking obsequious fawning. I´m talking getting the job done with alacrity and a good spirit. I´ll go as high as fiften percent on occasion. But they really have to have gone out of their way.

Yesterday, here in Honduras, a guy WHO I ONLY SAW ONCE the whole night, (everyone else ran his food for him while he chatted up some girl or went for a smoke,) chased me out of the restaurant. I went up to the front to pay because I couldn´t get him to bring a bill. He started yelling for me to pay him. Then called me a thief. Until I pushed him to the ground in the middle of Zona Viva. This is what rampant tipping does to people. A ridiculous sense of entitlement.

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40. Posted by flaminko (Budding Member 3 posts) 8y

I agree, in the States we are trained to feel guilty if we don't leave a tip, but why should I have to pay for customer service? More importantly, why can't they be paid more and rely less on the moodiness/appreciation of the customer? Some people realize that people who receive tips rely on them to make a living, and still don't tip. Some people are having bad days and if one thing is wrong with the meal, they won't tip. After reading all of these posts, I don't think tipping makes sense! I had seriously never thought about it before...

I have been in Korea for the last seven months, and I must say, I love not tipping!! The Koreans staunchly refuse to take any money as a tip, even just the extra 30 cents. It has been ingrained in their heads since children that customer service is EVERYTHING. They offer "service," which was a completely new concept to me...basically, sometimes, they just give you free stuff once you've paid a ridiculously low price for something else. They love to do that...no one is forcing them to. It's amazing. That one aspect alone is enough to make me stay here longer! "Service" is like money, except seemingly more personal. Instead of "degrading" someone by just throwing a few bucks at them, "service" is like a present for a job well-done. It works both ways...restaurant owners won't take your money, but if you bring them food or something you took the time to pick out yourself, they will gladly accept it. Vice versa, a store owner wouldn't just hand you five dollars for being such a great customer...they would throw in a few extra side dishes or an extra loaf of bread for free. I got a really cool beach ball that says Kellogg's in Korean, and a Tony the Tiger bowl...for free! They were taped to the box. The best thing about service is that, there are no strings attached, no gimmicks, no foul play...it really is just something free for being a patron! My dad always said nothing in life is free, but I'm inclined to believe, in this instance, he is wrong. ^^

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