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11. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting luzian

[quote=Sander]It's indeed Adblock..

Excellent, glad to have that sorted.

Is there a way to have a trip overview map permanently somewhere at the top of the blog? Or at least a direct link in the right side navigation (with main page, table of contents, subscribe)?

No specific option, but after posting several entries, you will have the option of adding any links you want to your blog, so you could add a link to your map These do show further down the navigation though.

Something else I'm still confused about. On the map, we have the concept of trips, I can select all trips, or an individual trip's overview, or a station of a trip. But on the blog I can't find it anything like this - something like "current trip overview", "previous trips", "all trips" would seem useful to me. Or is the concept of trips kept separate from the blogs on purpose?

Ok, slightly confused what you mean here. Do you want some of those links provided next to the map on your blog? There is a link to the current trip provided automatically (just below the title of the entry) based on comparing the dates of your trip with the date of your blog entry: example here. For that trip, I embedded a map at the top of each entry, zoomed into the relevant location, kind of like you were saying. Worked quite well I thought.

One more idea, maybe as suggestion for a future option. When entering trip stops, I can always chose how I got there or left (plane, train, bus etc.). What would be interesting would be to show this information on the map by different colours of the segments... eg. plane red, boat blue, bike green etc. (or customised by the user). Of course then some caption/legend would be useful too.

This was always sort of the intention. Other things have taken priority unfortunately. Colours would be problematic as a method of distinction though. We already use varying random colours for each trip. See my map here . I don't think that's going to be changed any time soon. That said, we do actually change the lines somewhat depending on mode of travel though. If you're travelling by air, the line is curved. If you're travelling overland or by boat, then the line is straight. I guess the most logical thing we could do is have some sort of an icon built into the lines. Seems simple, but I'm guessing it would actually be quite a tricky thing to achieve nicely!

12. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing. Although our map is not particularly precise, there is actually some benefit in pinpointing your photos precisely. Your public gallery includes a link to load the photos in Google Earth - basically a link to this kml file : http://www.travellerspoint.com/photo_gallery.kml?users=Luzian . You could also load that in Google Maps if you like.

Every gallery on Travellerspoint includes this link. Unfortunately, most photos are not placed precisely, just set to the centres of the city/town, but it's still pretty fun to load up a group of pictures in Google Earth like that.

13. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 7y

Quoting luzian

Ok, that was it... got the bad guy! :)

It's indeed Adblock..

Glad you found it. Given the popularity of Adblock, it might still be worth looking into this for us, though. Just to be certain, this is the regular "Adblock", not "Adblock Plus", right?

Is there a way to have a trip overview map permanently somewhere at the top of the blog? Or at least a direct link in the right side navigation (with main page, table of contents, subscribe)? I don't see this as a setting, I assume it might be possible through the CSS (position some ap element), but I don't know enough CSS to do something like that. Anything like that done before?

Of course, I could also include a map at the top of the blog entry.. but that would get pushed down by the next entry, so I would have to do it each time. Actually not too bad, this would allow to customize it each time to the current location...

The direct link can be done through Manage -> Links in the blog management; although it won't show up in the sidebar until you've posted 10 blog entries. (Which I've always thought is a bit of a weird constraint; Peter, how come this holds true even for Full Members and above? Shouldn't they be inherently trusted not to be spammers?)

Having a static map permanently shown outside the entries isn't currently possible. You could as you say position it through CSS, but you'd need the discipline to really insert the map into each blog entry that you write, and ideally you'd then want to set up the blog to only show one blog entry per page (because otherwise you'd need to deal with multiple maps in your CSS).
It's slightly finicky work getting things to look right with CSS, but not terribly hard. See here for an example I just whipped up (note: only tested in Firefox 3). The relevant CSS I added are the following three lines at the bottom of the template:

#navigation {margin-top: 175px;}
div.map {position: absolute; top: 400px; left: 476px; border: 3px solid white;}
div.map object {width: 270px; height: 135px;}

The first line adds some white-space above the other navigation where the map will be positioned. The second line positions the map (easy here since it's a left-aligned design; harder with centered designs, but not impossible (if you'd actually want to do this, I can help you set that up)). The third line resizes the flash object since it's too large to fit in the sidebar by default.

...but yeah, all that does is move the map out from the blog entry to a different location; not inherently different from having the map shown at the top of each blog entry.

... I see here Peter has long since replied (guess I spent too much time playing with that CSS) ^_^ - so the following will be just some swift additions:

On the map, we have the concept of trips, I can select all trips, or an individual trip's overview, or a station of a trip. But on the blog I can't find it anything like this - something like "current trip overview", "previous trips", "all trips" would seem useful to me. Or is the concept of trips kept separate from the blogs on purpose?

We purposefully didn't couple these too tightly; the way it's set up now, a single blog entry could describe a large number of destinations visited during a large number of trips, which can be really useful if you want to do a quick overview blogpost, or want to split up particular sections of your travels into a purpose-built (more detailed, or whatever) map, but don't want to have to obey the same boundaries in your blogging. So yeah, things are only coupled by date, and the blog automatically figures out which all trips to link to through that. (With the "View [trip name] on [username]'s travel map" links.)
If you do want to split up the blog entries you write by "trip", you can create multiple blogs for this purpose.

One more idea, maybe as suggestion for a future option. When entering trip stops, I can always chose how I got there or left (plane, train, bus etc.). What would be interesting would be to show this information on the map by different colours of the segments... eg. plane red, boat blue, bike green etc. (or customised by the user). Of course then some caption/legend would be useful too.

As Peter said, the original intent was to do more with this; I remember really spiffy icons for an initial version... but yeah, those got dropped at some point, and so now curve versus no curve is the only indicator left. Perhaps someday...

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 21, 2008, at 5:31 PM by Sander ]

14. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting Sander

See here for an example I just whipped up (note: only tested in Firefox 3).

Nice CSS work there Sander ;)

Luzian, one other way you could do it really basically, is to just take a screen grab of your trip map and make it into a header for your blog. You lose the interactivity then of course.

15. Posted by luzian (Full Member 36 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

No specific option, but after posting several entries, you will have the option of adding any links you want to your blog, so you could add a link to your map These do show further down the navigation though.

Ok that's useful to know that there will be more options after a while...

Ok, slightly confused what you mean here. Do you want some of those links provided next to the map on your blog? There is a link to the current trip provided automatically (just below the title of the entry) based on comparing the dates of your trip with the date of your blog entry: example here.

Yeah that's kind of what I meant.. the question was if it's possible to add this somewhere to the blog navigation (right hand) instead of in the blog entry, and if there could be a link to "all trips" too. Not too important though.

For that trip, I embedded a map at the top of each entry, zoomed into the relevant location, kind of like you were saying. Worked quite well I thought.

Yep that looks good. I was just wondering if it's possible to have a map similar to this (probably would be current trip overview) without adding it manually to each blog entry... but the way you did it should be fine for me too... maybe in combination with Sander's CSS :)

We already use varying random colours for each trip. See my map here .

Ok I see. I've only entered one trip for testing and didn't see this... of course on your maps the colours by trip are more useful. Still maybe an option could be to make it a user choice... colour by trip for people with many overlapping trips (like yours), colour by leg transport for people with only a few (longer) trip and not much overlap? Also in a single trip's map this could make sense. I'm interested in that because my trip will be mainly cycling but occasionally a bit of train, boat etc. so it would be nice to see that on the map.

Btw I'm only talking about the possibility, not the technical implementation.. I have no idea what would be involved in realising anything like that in flash.

Every gallery on Travellerspoint includes this link. Unfortunately, most photos are not placed precisely, just set to the centres of the city/town, but it's still pretty fun to load up a group of pictures in Google Earth like that.

Yeah that's one of the reasons I was raising the google maps questions.. because google maps would make it easier for people to place the pictures precisely (if they want to).

Quoting Sander

Glad you found it. Given the popularity of Adblock, it might still be worth looking into this for us, though. Just to be certain, this is the regular "Adblock", not "Adblock Plus", right?

Yes "normal" Adblock.

The direct link can be done through Manage -> Links in the blog management; although it won't show up in the sidebar until you've posted 10 blog entries.

Ok but then it would show up under favourite links.. I thought it would be nice to have it in the main navigation (with main page, table of contents).

You could as you say position it through CSS, but you'd need the discipline to really insert the map into each blog entry that you write, and ideally you'd then want to set up the blog to only show one blog entry per page (because otherwise you'd need to deal with multiple maps in your CSS). It's slightly finicky work getting things to look right with CSS, but not terribly hard. See here for an example I just whipped up (note: only tested in Firefox 3).

That's very cool, thanks for your time to come up with the CSS that works! I'll try it out (in different browsers), maybe I'll go with your solution...

...but yeah, all that does is move the map out from the blog entry to a different location; not inherently different from having the map shown at the top of each blog entry.

Yeah but still it's an extra option (as long as there's no "default" option to have a permanent map there)

If you do want to split up the blog entries you write by "trip", you can create multiple blogs for this purpose.

I didn't mean to split it up completely, just to have some sort of a "entries by trip" overview in the navigation, similar to the categories / time archive. Of course entries going over more than one trip would make that slightly more complicated...

As Peter said, the original intent was to do more with this; I remember really spiffy icons for an initial version... but yeah, those got dropped at some point, and so now curve versus no curve is the only indicator left. Perhaps someday...

Icons might be an idea too.. I'll wait for perhaps someday then ;)

Anyway thanks again for all your time to answer my questions (do you guys work or something apart from answering silly questions from new users here? )

Cheers Luzian

[ Edit: Edited on Oct 22, 2008, at 5:04 AM by luzian ]

16. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting luzian

Quoting Peter

No specific option, but after posting several entries, you will have the option of adding any links you want to your blog, so you could add a link to your map These do show further down the navigation though.

Ok that's useful to know that there will be more options after a while...

Just to be clear, I was talking about the same thing as Sander here.. the links that can be added under Manage > Links.

the question was if it's possible to add this somewhere to the blog navigation (right hand) instead of in the blog entry, and if there could be a link to "all trips" too.

Interesting. Yes, it would be possible. Funny it's never come up before now you mention it. Although a map display has been mentioned regularly enough, not the idea of some plain text links. The main thing with adding anything to the blogs is considerations about how it works in all the different designs. Each needs testing and then on top of that, there are the custom ones, so it can end up being a headache even making the seemingly most innocuous changes.

do you guys work or something apart from answering silly questions from new users here?

There is of course no such thing as a silly question and you might be right, sometimes answering them is about all that gets done ;)

Seriously though, it actually gives us a very good idea of how to prioritize future developments, so it is an extremely worthwhile exercise for all involved!

17. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 7y

Luzian, would you prefer a link to your full map from your navigation or an actual small map like in Sanders example? For some reason I think the latter was supposed to be part of the latest blogs update we just did, but never actually made it live... I can't for the life of me remember why not either.

There were some requests recently for adding in an 'about' page for members that would be more along the lines of a link together with the Home, TOC and Subscribe links. That's another option which would of course be a bit lighter in terms of load times.

18. Posted by luzian (Full Member 36 posts) 7y

Three more questions that just came up while uploading some pictures (now that uploads are unlimited, I'm not worried anymore to spend my capacity for test pictures...). They are porbably not related to the new update but more general, so I'm posting them here rather in the other thread.

1. After uploading a single picture, there's a green area on top saying "Upload of XXX was successful » Visit your public photo gallery", however the in the link behind "Visit...", the username seems to be missing.
ie. for me it links to http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/gallery/users//
instead of http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/gallery/users/luzian/
Maybe a bug?

2. I don't manage to do anything in the Bulk uploader. It shows a form with a blue Button "Browse files" (and some other options), but the button doesn't do anyhting. Browser/flash/plugin problem again? I'm still on FF 3, now with Flash 10 and currently Adblock is completely disabled.

3. Also it took me a while to find the link to map my photos.. after upload it sems that I have to go through control panel, my map, map photos? Some direct link to map my photos after an upload, or at least from "my photos" view, might be useful...

Cheers
Luzian

19. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 7y

Quoting luzian

2. I don't manage to do anything in the Bulk uploader. It shows a form with a blue Button "Browse files" (and some other options), but the button doesn't do anyhting. Browser/flash/plugin problem again? I'm still on FF 3, now with Flash 10 and currently Adblock is completely disabled.

This is most likely a problem because of the Flash 10 security changes wrt flash uploads. Sam, Peter, see this.

20. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting luzian

1. After uploading a single picture, there's a green area on top saying "Upload of XXX was successful » Visit your public photo gallery", however the in the link behind "Visit...", the username seems to be missing.
ie. for me it links to http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/gallery/users//
instead of http://www.travellerspoint.com/photos/gallery/users/luzian/
Maybe a bug?

Yes, a bug. If you log out and then back in again it should work. Once the currently active sessions have been cleared, this bug shouldn't happen again.

2. I don't manage to do anything in the Bulk uploader. It shows a form with a blue Button "Browse files" (and some other options), but the button doesn't do anyhting. Browser/flash/plugin problem again? I'm still on FF 3, now with Flash 10 and currently Adblock is completely disabled.

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That will require some more investigation. I'd suggest maybe just hitting refresh - it's possible that there is some caching going on.

3. Also it took me a while to find the link to map my photos.. after upload it sems that I have to go through control panel, my map, map photos? Some direct link to map my photos after an upload, or at least from "my photos" view, might be useful...

Well, you're quite right on that one. The main integrated way that is currently available is by using the Location field when editing the information for your photos. That will geotag the photo to that location. But that will only work with locations that are already in our database, not for new ones that you want to plot accurately. For that, you would indeed need to head to the mapping area. If you have however set up a custom location in the mapping area, then it *should* be available to you in the location field as well.