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Palestine, State of Palestine or Palestinian Territories?

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1. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

Okay, this is not likely one which we are going to agree across the board on, but Sander alerted me to the fact that the wiki article about the State of Palestine was deleted, to be replaced with a Palestine one. Now I have no issues with moving to naming convention Palestine in this case, but as you can see from the first link, when a 'country' guide article is deleted, a lot of links and connections that are present on other pages as well as to other pages, go lost. Things like the map, links to blog entries, forum posts, helpers etc., but also links from the gallery of featured pics. All those links are tied in with the country name, so deleting a country page like that messes up a few things as can be seen in this case.

The main question now is, what should we call this 'country'? Personally I'm leaning towards just 'Palestine', in part because of statements like this on Wikipedia:

Quoting Wikipedia

Today, Palestine may also refer to the State of Palestine proposed by the Palestinian National Authority.

If we can get a general consensus that this is sufficient for our usage, then we can change the name in our database, automatically fixing all the links in one go. Alternatively, we leave it State of Palestine and redirect the Palestine article to the State of Palestine one. Last but not least, another alternative is 'Palestinian Territories'.

Thoughts? This is a tough one, I know

2. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 8y

FWIW, I think it should just be "Palestine". The official name of "The Netherlands" would be "The Kingdom of the Netherlands", yet no one refers to it as such. Completely outside of any political considerations, I believe the exact equivalent holds here.

Additionally, since this is a travel site, I believe there's enough context that just "Palestine" will not be mistaken to refer to the historical area, but only to the current state.

3. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 8y

There's another alternative as well, by having the article named West Bank & Gaza Strip. Or even have 2 separate articles, one for each of these locations (which is seen in Wikipedia - Gaza Strip, West Bank).

4. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

I think we could have separate articles for both West Bank and Gaza Strip as destinations, but for the official 'country' database we have that would be overkill. Even Palestine isn't recognized by a majority, but we still think it's worth adding as a 'destination country'. Cases like this are always tough, but I guess I probably lean towards just 'Palestine' as well.

5. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 8y

I would probably say that currently Palestinian territories is how these 2 areas should be referred to in the country database.

There is no such country called Palestine at the moment, though if the negotiations move forward this may change, which would result in it needing to be referred to as Palestine (or whatever is finally agreed) in the database. To call the areas Palestine would, in my view, indicate a political bias of this website.

Palestinian terrritories is possibly also the least "controversial" of the options, if West Bank & Gaza Strip are not to be considered - although these 2 areas are administered by different bodies to each other, and perhaps should currently be separate in the database (which would be my first preference for now).

6. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 8y

Quoting mojorob

I would probably say that currently Palestinian territories is how these 2 areas should be referred to in the country database.

Some reading up later...

Hmm, yes, I'm tending to lean to this now too. That's actually why we originally had 'State of Palestine', but I see that Wikipedia has now also changed this. They refer to it just as Palestine in the list, but Palestinian Territories right behind it. And their article on Palestinian territories seems to describe the area best for our purposes as well.

This would mean changing the name in our database and then redirecting the two existing wiki guides to one new one with all the information. Either way, if you type in http://www.travellerspoint.com/guide/Palestine/ , you are going to end up on the page you would expect.

I think this is a pretty good solution until the name is officially changed/recognized.