I have been researching quite a lot and looking on Google Earth at the W Trek. I'm wanting to know of somewhere I can find the distances between each camp site so that I can try and see if I am planning a realistic itinerary.
My ideas are:
21 December get public transport from Puerto Natales to the catamaran at Lago Pehoe. Then get the catamaran across the body of water and hike to Refugio Grey where I would stay the first night.
22 December I will hike all the way to Refugio Los Cuernos (skipping the French Valley bit on this day so that I don't totally over do the walking on that day).
23 December I will also stay the night at Refugio Los Cuernos, but do a day hike up the French Valley.
24 December I will hike to Refugio Chileno.
25 December I will hike to the towers and then return to spend the night at Refugio Torres.
26 December I will get transport out of the park back to Puerto Natales.
Can anyone who has trekked from West to East tell me if this is a realistic itinerary or where you would change slightly to make it more realistic in the same amount of days? I have to be out of the park on 26 December at the latest because I have a flight leaving from Punta Arenas on 28 December.
Thanks for any help you can offer
[ Edit: Edited on Nov 10, 2008, at 2:08 AM by aharrold45 ]
Email these guys as they know everything there is to know about Torres Del Paine.They have 2 daily meetings for anyone to join in where they discuss the route.Even if your not staying at the hostel.But i would highly recommend staying there.
Bill one of the hostel owners is a fantastic guy whos very helpful and welcoming.If you do stay there or get in touch with them tell them Reece from England says hello.I think at the time when i stayed there in february 2007 i was one of the longest staying residents in the last year.
Thanks for that suggestion. I had been on that site and asked a few questions to the email address given on the site, but I'm not getting Bill because the three times I have asked questions they have referred me to the FAQ which does not have the answers to any of the things I ask them. They wont even let me book the hostel because for some rediculous reason they are only accepting reservations at the Erratic Rock 1 Hostel a maximum of 7 days in advance and I want to stay there on 20 December. That rule is a bit bad for people in situations like mine where I am on an antarctic cruise for 11 days and want to stay at the hostel a day after my cruise finishes.
Did you do any hiking or book any transport to and from the park when you were in Puerto Natales?
If you did get transport to the park, can you remember what was the name of the bus company was that runs that routing? Can you recall if they had transport from Torres Del Paine to Punta Arenas or do they only have the transport from the park to Puerto Natales?
Thats strange with their bookings and they were usually always very very helpful.
I actually booked my bus into the park via the hostel and this company sounds familiar.
and theres also
As for trekking yes i did the 'W' route while i was out there.Planned on the full circuit but i suffered badly from blisters.And i also had an extra rest day at the campsite nearest the 3 towers so i could wake up early in the morning to see the sun rise.So i actually went up to see them twice.
Again all my planning i spoke to the hostel about.
Lots of people actually get chatting at the hostel and people alot of the time head off together.
I just have to put an answer in here as it was one of my very favourite places in South America. I thought it easiest to enter my blog entry.
Basically I think you will find it easy enough to do your "planned" itinerary.
The W Trek
in the Torres del Paine
19.01.2008 - 23.01.2008 27 °C
After the exertions of the Navimag a few quiet days in Puerto Natales were required prior to trekking the Torres del Paine national park. PN is a small bustling town in the southern most part of Chile. We found ourselves a cracking hostel and settled in quickly. The town seems to buzz on the day the ship arrives with most bars and restaurants busier than normal.
I took the opportunity to visit the local hospital and have my stitches checked out by a professional. Fifteen minutes later I was out the front door with the green light. Seemingly I should wait another 4 days or so then have them taken out. Oscar had done me proud. We celebrated with a fine meal of lamb (local speciality) and steak. Really it was just a chance to overly feed ourselves prior to the trekking which was now fairly well planned.
As mentioned above the main reason for sailing 4 days south was to trek in the Torres del Paine National Park. It is widely regarded as the most beautiful of all national parks in South America. It was created in 1959, and in 1978 UNESCO recognised it as part of the International Biosphere Reserve Network. The Paine Massif is a small mountain system which is completely independent of the Patagonian Andes range. To put the above dates in context the rock formations there came about 12 million years ago when granite pluton penetrated a crack in the Mallegan Basin. Over the years the ice age and various other weather conditions eroded the rock to leave the formations we saw and loved.
Apologies if you are now asleep!!
Within the Torres del Paine Park itself there are numerous trekking opportunities, the main two being the W Trek and the Circuit. What we chose to do was a modified version of the W. I think we actually made our trek harder than necessary but the information we had to hand when booking didn't exactly make it easy for us. Either way, we got to see everything we wanted over the 5 days.
On the morning of the 19th we pulled ourselves out of bed to catch the early bus to the park. As usual the bus was running a little later than planned but after the driver had picked everyone up we were soon on our way and not long passed before we could see the Paine Massif from afar. It's approx 150 km's to the park so it's a fair distance. Fifteen pounds to get in seemed a decent price given the price we pay at home to see very little. We were getting as many days in the park as we needed!!
After the bus ride we hopped on the catamaran which took us on a 30 minute cruise over Lago (lake) Pehoe to our accommodation. Pehoe has to be one of the bluest lakes I have ever set eyes on. All those postcards I had seen I suspected had been hit by Photoshop. Well, it turns out they probably weren't. The colours were almost unreal, although I hasten to add that not all the lakes were this colour.
Our accommodation was set at the lower base of the Paine Massif. It was basically a hostel with a campsite attached to the side. We opted to stay indoors, partly because we didn't know what to expect weather wise and partly because we never took any camping equipment with us. It's hard enough to pack for the 4 season's in one day they tell you to expect.
By the time we got over to the starting point it was too late in the day to start any of the W Trek itself so we decided to take a shorter, easier, 20km trek south over some fairly rugged land to get us warmed up for the days ahead. It went pretty well and the maps we had suggested times we should manage the various routes in and we actually managed to pull in an hour under so I felt that put us in a good position for the rest of the trip. Perhaps we were fitter than we had thought!
Since our trip on the Navimag I had become increasingly obsessed with glaciers so day 1 of the trek would take us to the Grey Glacier and back to base. The previous day had given us hope that the 30km would be do able despite the path ways being very up and down and rocky. We set off around 8am and the first 2 hours or so were entirely up hill. Not exactly what you need but the day was beautiful, around early 20's with a nice breeze. Of course, as per usual, we had to carry packs with lunch and full waterproofs for the expectant change in weather. That change fortunately never came and before we knew it we caught our first glimpse of the glacier. Everyone seemed to be in awe. It was an amazing sight. Unfortunately it is shrinking by almost half a meter with each passing day. Most people would finish their trek here but I wanted to go further, to get to the glacier itself. This meant a harder trail to follow but it was definitely worth it when we finally got there. From the viewpoint we could also see Pingo Glacier. In fact, as far as the eye could see their were glaciers. An amazing sight and certainly a picnic spot to cherish for some time.
Day 2 started out in a similar fashion to the first with a seemingly never ending trek up the hill for hours on end. This time we were on our way to the French Valley which forms the central part of the W. At the midway point we reached a fairly rapid river with quite a rickety bridge to say the least. After a little while Ali felt comfortable enough to tackle her fear of the bridge and we crossed with relative ease. Ali is now saying over my shoulder that the bridge was actually "wonky and swinging and not safe at all" and the water wasn't rapid but "torrential and gushing". Anyway, we had reached the Italian camp and now everything would become twice as difficult towards the summit. A few more hours later and we reached the Britanico camp. Just like us to try and get the highest camp site in the French territory!! The views were stunning.
On the way up we built a small cairn to commemorate our trip and to think about all the people who aren't/couldn't be with us at that time.
Much like day 1 I wanted to go a little further so off we set from the camp Britanico. Not long after we came to the most breathtaking place I think I have ever been. Again the weather had done us proud and we basked in the sun on top of some rocks in the valley. It felt more like the top of the world and the views of the Horns, the Paine Massif and the 3 Towers were simply awesome. An hour or so later we started to make the descent to our base. The wind had picked up dramatically and was probably around 80 kmph. The wind can pick up to 125 kmph so it definitely gets a little gusty up there. As we descended we met loads of crazy people who were still making the climb up. Evidence of the power of the wind was all around us with felled tree's everywhere and several large areas of petrified trees. Nonetheless the day was magnificent and one of our main goals now had a tick in the box which was a great feeling.
We were also managing to do all the treks in good time, albeit at the expense of some tired legs and a few blisters. Evenings were usually pretty short for us here and it wasn't unusual to have dinner then just fall asleep till the next morning.
Fortunately for us we had some extra time built into our trip to account for conditions beyond our control. Little did I know that day 3 would be too bloody hot. Most unusual but the sun was exceptionally strong that day leaving our trip to the base of the towers on the east side of the park unmanageable. The hole in the ozone above southern Chile is massive so it's not always the temperature but the ray’s strength that gets you. Factor 60 was call of the day.
On the morning of our last day we had to be up and out of the hostel not long after 5am if we were to make it up to the base and back in time for our bus connection. It was fairly odd walking in the dark but an hour or so we witnessed a magical sun rise. All the better as we were the only people about. Unfortunately the weather was not so kind to us on this day with a thick fog covering a lot of the mountains. Mind you, we could hardly complain given the glorious conditions we had the fortune of getting in the previous four. Despite not seeing the top of the towers themselves the day was great and we bumped into some friends whom we met in various other places around South America. We arranged to meet in town that night for a farewell meal which went down a treat.
Within the park itself we were lucky enough to encounter most of the wildlife that was listed in the guides; Guanaco (like a llama), wild fox's, rhea's (like an ostrich), pink flamingo's. What we didn't see was the black widow which can surely only be a good thing. There had been lots of recent sightings. The condor eluded us too but we are sure to see many in the future and have seen some in the past already.
On returning to the local town we treated ourselves to an afternoon at the hot tub with a massage afterwards. It was simply brilliant and eased a lot of the aches and pains built up over the past few days. A meal at Afrigonia (an African/Patagonian) restaurant did the trick too. At last a curry that had some kick!!!