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11. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting tway

Quoting wotthefiqh

Down here they are known as dole bludgers, a slang name for welfare fraudsters.
Some people call them parasites on society

EI is pre-welfare--it's what you receive for a year or so after you've been laid off from your job. You get more money than you would on welfare, to help you get by as you look for work. The idea is that, after a year, you should have been able to find something suitable.

I always thought welfare of any kind was financial benefit provided by the government (after being taken from the taxpayer), whether it be child benefit, unemployment benefit, disability pension or Canuckistan's EI.

There's a distinction between welfare and Employment Insurance, namely that all taxpayers contribute a percentage of every paycheque direct;y to EI, whereas welfare comes out of the government's general tax coffers. The idea being that, as you said, with EI you've helped to "put aside" money should you ever lose your job or end up in some sort of dire straits. People on EI should be actively looking for work, and their weekly payments should be going to making essential payments to help their family through a short, rough time. Welfare is a much smaller payment to help people who can't, or don't, want to work.

I agree, though--people who screw the system are screwing honest taxpayers. Not the government--your family, friends and neighbours.

12. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting tway

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting tway

Quoting wotthefiqh

Down here they are known as dole bludgers, a slang name for welfare fraudsters.
Some people call them parasites on society

EI is pre-welfare--it's what you receive for a year or so after you've been laid off from your job. You get more money than you would on welfare, to help you get by as you look for work. The idea is that, after a year, you should have been able to find something suitable.

I always thought welfare of any kind was financial benefit provided by the government (after being taken from the taxpayer), whether it be child benefit, unemployment benefit, disability pension or Canuckistan's EI.

There's a distinction between welfare and Employment Insurance, namely that all taxpayers contribute a percentage of every paycheque direct;y to EI, whereas welfare comes out of the government's general tax coffers. The idea being that, as you said, with EI you've helped to "put aside" money should you ever lose your job or end up in some sort of dire straits. People on EI should be actively looking for work, and their weekly payments should be going to making essential payments to help their family through a short, rough time. Welfare is a much smaller payment to help people who can't, or don't, want to work.

I agree, though--people who screw the system are screwing honest taxpayers. Not the government--your family, friends and neighbours.

Itchy trigger finger

I don't think downing Coronas and chowing down on tacos in a Tijuana bar actually qualifies as a basic need of an unemployed Canuck.

I just messaged the bludger so he knows that one click will see Dudley-Do-Right come knocking on his door

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 4, 2009, at 6:54 AM by wotthefiqh ]

13. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting tway

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting tway

Quoting wotthefiqh

Down here they are known as dole bludgers, a slang name for welfare fraudsters.
Some people call them parasites on society

EI is pre-welfare--it's what you receive for a year or so after you've been laid off from your job. You get more money than you would on welfare, to help you get by as you look for work. The idea is that, after a year, you should have been able to find something suitable.

I always thought welfare of any kind was financial benefit provided by the government (after being taken from the taxpayer), whether it be child benefit, unemployment benefit, disability pension or Canuckistan's EI.

There's a distinction between welfare and Employment Insurance, namely that all taxpayers contribute a percentage of every paycheque direct;y to EI, whereas welfare comes out of the government's general tax coffers. The idea being that, as you said, with EI you've helped to "put aside" money should you ever lose your job or end up in some sort of dire straits. People on EI should be actively looking for work, and their weekly payments should be going to making essential payments to help their family through a short, rough time. Welfare is a much smaller payment to help people who can't, or don't, want to work.

I agree, though--people who screw the system are screwing honest taxpayers. Not the government--your family, friends and neighbours.

Itchy trigger finger

I don't think downing Coronas and chowing down on tacos in a Tijuana bar actually qualifies as a basic need of an unemployed Canuck.

Dang--we're saying the same thing in different ways.

I just wanted to point out that people on EI are usually good, honest tax-paying citizens in a bad patch--whereas those on welfare are very often screwing the system. So I don't like to call EI welfare.

But some people like the original poster want to screw the system anyways. Which makes me want to send him the bill for the taxes I've paid to help him travel.

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 4, 2009, at 6:54 AM by tway ]

14. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting tway

[quote=wotthefiqh][quote=tway][quote=wotthefiqh][quote=tway][quote=wotthefiqh]Down here they are known as dole bludgers, a slang name for welfare fraudsters.
Some people call them parasites on society

Dang--we're saying the same thing in different ways.

Yup.
In Aussie terms, he's a bludging bastard.

15. Posted by Atherinton (Inactive 32 posts) 7y

Hey mate, maybe there is something about a forum that you don't understand. A forum is used for questions and answers. My original post was asking other Canadians if it was possible to travel on EI as I'm not very familiar with the system. I got my answer rather quickly. No, it's not. Though there are different methods of putting it on hold. Volunteer work for example is a legit way to travel while putting your EI claim on hold until you get back I believe. If anyone has information on that please share.
We also have something here in Canada called freedom of speech as well as the privacy act and the fact that I'm neither unemployed or "chowing down on tacos in a Tijuana bar", I could care less about your "itchy trigger finger". The government here keeps a very close eye on things like that and I could almost guarantee you if I were "downing coronas" in Tijuana they wouldn't need to here it from someone multiple time zones away. ha ha. I've done my research, I can assure you.

16. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Have just reread your post #1 and you said -

As a rule of collecting unemployment you must not leave Canada led alone your home province

Then in your post #15 you wrote 'My original post was asking other Canadians if it was possible to travel on EI as I'm not very familiar with the system. Contradictory?

You then wrote 'I've traveled through the states while collecting unemployment once before with no concequence'
Aren't you pleading guilty to welfare fraud?

You then ask 'I'm looking to travel the states and into Tijuana on my Unemployment claim. Does anyone have any information on this particular matter ?'

I believe the statutory sentence for being an accessory to welfare fraud in Canukistan is 7 days listening to Leonard Cohen's rendition of 'Suzanne' with a cutthroat razor within easy reach.

As for Canada having freedom of speech, don't make me laugh.
Ask Rev. Stephen Boission, Ezra Levant, Mark Steyn, Maclean magazine.

You could always sic Richard Warman onto me.

17. Posted by Atherinton (Inactive 32 posts) 7y

I just looked up Leonard Cohen's rendition of 'Suzanne' !! Ha ha ..What in Gods name is that? I think I'd be reaching for the razor.
And I don't imagine Australia is a whole lot different than Canada when it comes to 'freedom of speech'. Canada and Australia I'm told are very similar. Though we get the awful winter weather. Which is in full swing right now... How I wish I were in OZ. Maybe next year

18. Posted by Piecar (Travel Guru 894 posts) 7y

To wade in here...The ground is already scorched, but I am not bright enough to stay away.

Last year, I had a claim started on EI (Or, as I remember it, UI) and I just didn't send the cards in and the claim stalled out. I went off and worked in another country. It didn't even occur to me to collect this money illegitimately. This though they don't send cards to your houseanymore, you can do the NONONOYESNO on the computer. Never even occured to me.

SO I get back and I look into the claim. I ask whether I should fill out a form to say why I didn't continue or what have you. I discovered that they were going to pay me some money retroactively...(WHAT?)

The EI official asked me whether I couldhave been back in two days to take whatever job might have occurred. I said "No." The woman leaned forward, and looked me directly in the eyes. She asked pointedly, while trying to communicate something to me. Could I have been back in two days to take a job, should the occasion have arisen....

I looked into those brown eyes that were telling me something and said....

"No. Not a chance."

The woman fell backward, flabbergasted. She shook her head. Looked at the form....Looked at me, looked at the form, looked at me...shook her head somemore.

"You sure?" she gave her hand the rolling, "come on, get with it" gesture.

Intelligently, I said

"Positive. There's no way I could've gotten back."

The woman hung her head and stamped the forms and said good day.

It was only later, while having a pint with a former layabout friend of mine (Used to have a shirt that said "UI SKi Team NONONOYESNO") And he explainedthat the woman was trying to lead me into saying that I could have been back so that she could retroactively pay me the entire time I was away.

So I am dense...and even the people in the office are trying to massage the system...

And after that story, Is, maybe you could stop bandying about my name all the time.

Love
D

19. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting Atherinton

I don't imagine Australia is a whole lot different than Canada when it comes to 'freedom of speech'. Canada and Australia I'm told are very similar.

Nah.
We don't take shit from anybody like the CHRC (Canadian Human Rights Commission) or 7th century moslem witch-doctors demanding government recognition of sharia law and polygamy (was it Ontario where your multicultural pimps tried that one on)
We slap em hard.
Pity about Canukistan.

P.S. Great evasion technique with your welfare fraud.

20. Posted by Piecar (Travel Guru 894 posts) 7y

Listen. Take whatever umbrage you want with the guy asking about the unemployment ¨wotthefigh¨...Ease up on my country, though, fella. It´s not like your country has the greatest track record for genius moves, is it? Let it end here, get me?

Proud Canadian
D

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 11, 2009, at 8:33 AM by Piecar ]