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21. Posted by s96024 (Full Member 106 posts) 7y

Your completely wrong and missed the point. I am not into anything designer and am not vain in the slightest. The point I was making was all those things are fairly modern and whether you use some or all doesn't matter. According to your ethos anything modern is bad and damages your experience. I will take a laptop. I think maybe it will get a few hours use a week, for uploading photos and diary about my trip to share with family and friends. For use to do some banking, checking emails and skype for talking to family every now and then. Also I have all the information in the world in a piece of equipment not much bigger or heavier than an average book, so I can look up places I want to go/see and book things in advance.

22. Posted by hindu1936 (Budding Member 9 posts) 7y

Agreed there. To each his own. I also am not vain, but do take my laptop on long trips where I know I will be away from home for at least a week. I store addresses of campgrounds, directions of places to see, waypoints for the GPS (another nasty piece of modern equipment), the software for using it as a telephone and an antennae for hooking up to satellites which allows me to send photos home, articles to publishers, and talk face to face with my children, grandchildren and greats. I still carry a compass and a small assortment of recent maps for out of the way places. sometimes GPS devices will break. I spent many years logging all over the world and had one compass quit. sometimes modern compromises with old fashioned. When I was younger I enjoyed throwing a small canvas into a sack with a frying pan, flour, coffee, sugar and salt, grabbing my fishing pole and taking off for a month where I would never see another person. Roughing it was not really rough. Today, I carry the essentials of comfort in the panniers. A modern waterproof tent with fly and footprint all sprayed with permithrin, a stove that will burn just about anything, an electric tire pump that weighs about a pound, inflatable mattress, and for evening entertainment, more than 400 movies on a cigarette package size portable hard drive. The extra battery in the stowage compartment will let me watch the news on the computer, weather, or a movie. Do I think I am foolish? No, I do not travel as a test of my manhood but take my hotel room with me. Would anyone rent a hotel room that had no electricity, no mattress, a cold floor, and no protection against mozzies? I wouldn't either. should the same person who mocks my use of a laptop then deny himself a clean, comfortable but cheap hotel room at the end of the day? Of course not. So where is the argument? Some people don't want anything extra that might detract from their amusement and others look to be a bit more comfortable in their tents.

23. Posted by fabyomama (Respected Member 560 posts) 7y

Little unfair on Redpaddy. If he was against technology, then he wouldn't be here on this forum.
I suspect, like many other travelers, he sees the advantages of traveling light and without worry.

My own personal take? If anyone wants to look at a the world through a screen when they're sitting in the middle of it all, then go for it - but you may as well be at home.

The original poster wasn't sure - possibly saw just how long the packing list was growing and was thinking of leaving it behind. Wise choice. If something isn't essential, or is easily accessed on a trip, then why take it? The 'what ifs' will always take care of themselves. And for what it's worth, there are far more books on the road than laptops. Do they know something that others don't? ;)

Just my thoughts.

[ Edit: Edited on 16-May-2009, at 07:08 by fabyomama ]

24. Posted by hindu1936 (Budding Member 9 posts) 7y

"the 'what ifs' will always take care of themselves" --don't know what world you live in, but then again, you didn't say that the problems would be solved pleasantly or not, so yes, they will be solved. sometimes though in a not so pleasant manner or in a way that could have been better with a bit more preparation. I had a small bridge go out from under me and my machine went into the water/gorge 100 feet below. I had lept off and scrambled to the other side. My worries about gas money were taken care of.

There are more books than laptops in some crowds, but stop any number of long distance riders and ask to see their books and laptops. Most of us don't carry books, but do carry laptops. As my earlier post stated, we use them to store maps for the GPS, clean our memory cards from our cameras, send letters home, talk to our loved ones--all things that a book can't do. Read a book once and it is just dead weight. A really big book will use a bit more than one megabyte of storage. I have 200 books on a small flashstick that I can shove into my pocket. Of course, it is useless without the computer. My shot records, and all other documents are on my computer. Would I travel for 4 or 5 months these days without a laptop, even if I were hiking? No. I would leave something else behind. That's me. Others might see a laptop as only a burdensome thing that has no real value. again--to each his own, but just as I certainly won't begrudge the bare bones hiker/traveler his fancy, I expect him or her to respect my choice without ridiculing me.

25. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

"Would I travel for 4 or 5 months without a laptop??" Millions (in fact billions!!) used to, it's just someone - somewhere (goodness knows who or where) has made a multitude of travellers believe that the world would fall apart without cuddling up to one. I manage fine, but each to their own. The world is full of free choice.

26. Posted by fabyomama (Respected Member 560 posts) 7y

Quoting Redpaddy

"Would I travel for 4 or 5 months without a laptop??" Millions (in fact billions!!) used to, it's just someone - somewhere (goodness knows who or where) has made a multitude of travellers believe that the world would fall apart without cuddling up to one. I manage fine, but each to their own. The world is full of free choice.

Exactly! And hindu - nobody's disrespecting or ridiculing you. If you're happy with what you do and you feel you need your stuff - no need to justify it, just take it. Nobody needs 'permission' ok?

Every decision is a trade off. One person can walk out the door with little more than a toothbrush and have an amazing time because of the freedom that gives, while another takes everything to cover all possibilities. Nobody's right. It's personal and can only be dictated by that persons own feelings of comfort and security.

Just my thoughts.

Oh - and hi, I'm new here! ;)

[ Edit: Edited on 16-May-2009, at 11:32 by fabyomama ]

27. Posted by vickon (Budding Member 50 posts) 7y

Two days before i bought a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo mini laptop because i know how hard is to carry an extra bag for laptop and cost me only 250 euro. Its really good and easygoing.Its almost a half A4 paper. 120g hard disk 1g ram 128-256 graphics. I m not selling products i just recommend it

28. Posted by vickon (Budding Member 50 posts) 7y

Two days before i bought a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo mini laptop because i know how hard is to carry an extra bag for laptop and cost me only 250 euro. Its really good and easygoing.Its almost a half A4 paper. 120g hard disk 1g ram 128-256 graphics. I m not selling products i just recommend it. I know that some people cant stand without their laptop, they feel weak. Unfortunately i am one of those. I want to manage everything by myself . Especially in some places where they dont speak english at all. You 're saying your name and the next minute you answer yourself...did i say something wrong? Maybe my name is a bad word for them!!!

29. Posted by trainrider (Full Member 95 posts) 7y

I think like suggested before it is a case of "To each his own". I personally wouldn't carry a laptop. I really dont see why they are necessary. There are plenty of internet cafe's available everywhere, if I need to use them. I dont understand the desire to be in contact with the whole world all the time, watch movies, download music, etc. Im nearly 30 and although I grew up with computers, I guess I miss the days when they weren't such an important part of our lives.
I can understand the desire to take a Pc. They are doubtless a very useful tool, however they are not essential.

There was an interesting debate on another thread regarding whether people prefered Lonely planets or Rough guides. Person 1 suggested that you dont need either, that you could find all the necessary information on the internet. Person 2 replied that computers could never replace the guide books. I think Person 2 will have to eat his/her words. We will become ever more dependent on technology. Computers will replace guide books. They will be able to to do everything, even translate foreign languages in an instant, and fit into our pockets. Now that would be a good reason to carry one. Until that day I'll go it alone.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2009, at 18:29 by trainrider ]

30. Posted by saoghlbeag (Budding Member 3 posts) 7y

Last time I travelled the idea of taking my computer with me was hilarious - we didn't even take a discman! but now that they make them smaller than A4, it is something to consider. I think it depends on you, and the type of travel you will be doing (and possibly where you will be heading).

For my next trip, I plan to work along the way (teaching) so I will be taking my laptop. I currently use an ASUS Eee-PC (10") which is small enough not to make too much impact whilst travelling (although recalling my previous backpacking days I know the day will come when I will curse every gram). I can upload all my teaching resources (as well as scans of documents) before I go and will make good use of it once I am at my desination. I plan to set up in one place with work and then do smaller trips out from there, so may have the luxury of being able to leave the laptop behind if I like.

At the same time I am anxious about the impact it would have if it were stolen and realise that at some stages in the trip we may be burdened by it as there is not suitable storage/security where we are staying.

Best advice, just weigh up the pros and cons as with everything else. Depending on where you are headed, maybe it is an option for you to purchase a laptop on arrival (ie: after you have travelled for a bit and worked out whether you 'need' a laptop?)

happy travels!