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1. Posted by dcgrove (Budding Member 2 posts) 7y

Hello,

If anyone can help or point me in the right direction i would be most appreciative.

So, im planning a trip to France and would like to be in the country for a few months (60 days) then travel out side of the EU for a few weeks (20 days) then return to the EU for an additional 2 and a bit months (70 days).

I am Canadian and therefore get 90 days of visa free travel within the EU.

My question is if my plan is possible without a visa. My main concern is that i will not be able to stay the desired 70 days when i return to the EU for the final phase of my trip. Does the clock restart when you leave and then re-enter the EU? Does anyone know of any literature clarifying this?

Thanks in advance!

2. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 7y

No, your plan does not work. It is 90 days out of a 180 day period.

The best way to go about it would be to apply for a residency permit for France. (I am assuming you'll be living in an apartment during the first 2 months there.) You'd need a residency permit that is valid for 5 months. Since you are a Canadian citizen I recommend that you take a look at the Working Holiday Visa for France, this would be the easiest way if you qualify.

[ Edit: Edited on 20-Jan-2009, at 23:24 by t_maia ]

3. Posted by dcgrove (Budding Member 2 posts) 7y

ok thanks! i had heard about that 180 day rule.

One other twist- i have been to the EU for 20 days in December (i arrived on dec 1). Then i returned to Canada.

Does this mean that i will be in another 180 day period (and therefore get another 90 days) after June 1st?
June 1 would be approximately 180 days after my initial entry in December.

4. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 7y

Does this mean that i will be in another 180 day period (and therefore get another 90 days) after June 1st?

Yes, but only if there are at least 90 days between the time you left the Schengen Area and the time you entered.

The 180-day periods are not fixed to a date, they start when you enter and leave the Schengen area.

If you left on Dec 21st 08 you can come back for a full 90 days on March 23rd 09 at the earliest.

[ Edit: Edited on 20-Jan-2009, at 23:51 by t_maia ]

5. Posted by davidgrove (First Time Poster 1 posts) 7y

Thanks for your help with this, its greatly appreciated.

Can you clarify your last post? You seem to be referring to a rule that i have not seen exactly.
Maybe i can rephrase a question:

if i come and and then leave from the Schengen area multiple times but i spend less than 90 days total in the Schengen area how do i calculate when i will get another 90 days?

Thanks

6. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 7y

You are supposed to pick a random date, count 180 days forward and 180 days backwards from that date, then count your days in and out of Schengen. They should not exceed 90 days within either 180 day period.

The way it works in practise is you count from date of entry and date of departure as it is easier, but the same technique applies. Note that you count the actual days with a calendar right in front of your nose, you do not do random Dec 1st to June 1st guessing.

It is kind of difficult to explain over the internet, people in immigration learn this technique by examples and practise with a real life teacher.

how do i calculate when i will get another 90 days?

That is actually the easiest, date of last departure + 91 days.

[ Edit: Edited on 21-Jan-2009, at 19:06 by t_maia ]

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