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31. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

OK, can you wait a couple of days ... I am gonna add some boldy things and will be giving some new titles to articles this weekend .

32. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Hmm, this is a little trickier than I thought. I'll keep it in mind, but might have to wait a little.

I did manage to fix one small thing - if you are just adding the asterisks to create a list, then you will not get credit for the entire line anymore.

[ Edit: Edited on 29-Sep-2009, at 18:24 by Peter ]

33. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I'm a little confused on how the contribution percentage is calculated.

So I wrote an article on Eating Out in Paris, and another fellow TPer made some formatting changes. And apparently now I only contributed about 1/4 of the article (sorry Isadora, Foundation will get less AdSense money?).

I guess I also want to know this to make sure if I do edit any article where someone else has contributed, I need to try to maintain their portion of contribution in as much as I can. (I'm sorry if I haven't done so with my past contributions as I'm trying to learn the rope, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it from now on.)

By the way, is there any sort of formatting rule that I need to be aware of? Like, is there a rule re spacing, paragraph etc? I feel terrible if I'm being ignorant and making a muck out of wiki formatting and someone else has to always come and tidy up the articles I write after that.

(I'm trying to learn fast and getting things right) ;)

[ Edit: Edited on 03-Nov-2009, at 10:19 by lil_lil ]

34. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 6y

The contribution is calculated by the lines. One continuous paragraph is considered a line as there is no new line (Enter key) in between. So, if you created a new article which has a total of 20 lines, and then another member edits 5 of them, the new contribution share is 75% you, 25% the other member. It's not a perfect system, but it's the 'fairest' the admins could come up with right now, given the technical constraints behind it to come up with a better formula.

It's always best that you put everything in order with the proper styles. There are no definite rules, but we do follow general conventions in the industry regarding wiki and typing styles. For basic manuals on styles, refer to About:Index - we have a few articles in there on this. For others that are not covered, you can always refer to other featured articles. e.g. Malaysia, Australia, Melbourne

Don't worry about creating a mess, there are a few regulars in there who are happy to fix it. :)

35. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 6y

Oh, lord. This is embarassing for me.
I didn't notice until a few minutes ago that this had such a big influence.

I noticed that you put things like this :
Instead of this:

So leaving a blank spot between the last letter and the :

I know that sometimes this can be confusing and some members PM-ed me about it.
I don't know about this one, but I figured the : comes right after the last letter without leaving a blank spot.

I will try and point it out by PM to the member next time so that credit goes to that person.
You can always revert it if you like and then do it yourself, that would be more honest.

36. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 6y

Quoting Hien

The contribution is calculated by the lines. One continuous paragraph is considered a line as there is no new line (Enter key) in between.

This is *almost* correct, but not quite. When calculating shares, we actually don't just break down the article on the line breaks. We also use full stops, exclamation marks and question marks. So each sentence is also considered on its own.

But yes, small changes can cause big differences to the shares as a result. It's just too hard to do it any other way unfortunately.

Quoting Utrecht

You can always revert it if you like and then do it yourself, that would be more honest.

Reverting and then making the change yourself would NOT actually resolve it either. Because the script will always look for the first version where a sentence occurred. But you could of course make some other minor change to get it back on track :) You could for instance replace the colon with a hyphen, so they read like this:

Bistrot/Bistrot à Vin - usually smaller than the restaurants, offering more regional cuisine.

That format is used more commonly than the colons in the guide. But even better in my opinion would be:

Bistrot/Bistrot à Vin are usually smaller than the restaurants, offering more regional cuisine.

Making it read like a normal sentence is ideal in my opinion. It's not always the best option, but when possible it does look good to me.

37. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

Thanks everyone for your replies and in trying to help guide me through this.

Utrecht, no worry, and thanks for the formatting info. I didn't think a space before a colon would be of note, and you're right that conventionally it is usually written after the last letter. The reason I put a space is because all the items are on a list, and quite often most of them has link out, hence making the colon very close to the link icon and I just want to separate those out. And then when I try to keep everyone on the page with the same format, the space before colon gets inserted in every single item that appears in any sort of lists. (Am I making sense?)

Peter, I will bear that in mind re colon and dash. Again, it comes back down to how I usually write things in list I guess. My way of thinking is, a dash is often used as part of a structure of a sentence than a colon, and items following a list sometimes will warrant a use of dash. At least more often than a colon would. Therefore I thought a colon would make a better item separator. And even if there isn't a sentence to follow, but some sort of explanation, a dash comes in handy.

E.g. Pozzetto: 39, rue du Roi de Sicile 75004 (M: Hôtel de Ville) - as many flavours as you like, as long as they fit the cup/cone size you choose.

So, what should I do now? Keep using colons, or change to dashes?

Also, when it comes to lists, I nearly never write the items as full sentences. Afterall, it's a list. With bullet points. But I see your point, and will bear that in mind to use that format where appropriate.

Good thing I haven't work on too many wiki articles so far (just Dublin, Paris, and eating out in the two cities) so I can go back and get the formatting corrected when I get some free time later.

Thanks again everyone!

38. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 6y

Quoting lil_lil

So I wrote an article on Eating Out in Paris, and another fellow TPer made some formatting changes. And apparently now I only contributed about 1/4 of the article (sorry Isadora, Foundation will get less AdSense money?).

Possibly. But, if you follow Utrecht's advice, your percentage will be restored - at least to some extent. And, it's another reason to write more articles. I'm just pleased with your participation!! (Thanks again!)

39. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 6y

Thanks Lil, perfectly made sense.

Just one more thing that is actually the basis of the travelguide: it's for travellers by travellers. Although there are rules, some spelling stuff etc. etc. in general there it's not always about good/bad. So don't worry if someone else contributes to that article as well. That's what wiki style is all about I guess;)

But this one was a really bad example

Cheers
Let's wiki....contributions still seem low...but hey: no TP newsletter up until today??

40. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

Isadora, I will try to write new articles in due course, but this month in general would be a bit slow for me. I'm writing the final parts of my dissertation so I'm churning hundreds of words everyday as it is. Once that's sorted, then I can definitely devote more time to wiki writing, among many other things. It's rewarding in 3 ways - the AdSense for the Kiva project, the word counts to support the pledges made on Hippo Roller, and the knowledge that's being shared and hopefully whoever reading the guides come to enjoy and love the cities as much as I do.

Utrecht, I have no worry re other people contributing to the articles. It's just personally, I like to do things as correctly as I can. (What can I say - I am a Virgoan ) Afterall, I'm editing someone else's articles too. And it's always interesting to see novel information and learn something new. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on 04-Nov-2009, at 11:05 by lil_lil ]